June 19, 2015

"Thanks for nothing, Harper! Now I agree with my brother"

Gavin McInnesArchive

My brother Miles and I got into another fight, this time over Stephen Harper's new law allowing authorities to confiscate the passports of suspected terrorists.

I think its a great idea, and Marissa Semkiw explains the reasons behind it very well.

Of course it would have helped if the Harper government hadn't doubled Canada's Muslim population since 9/11. Then maybe we wouldn't have needed this law in the first place.

Anyway, the debate ends in an unexpected way...

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commented 2015-07-07 14:38:54 -0400
I agree, we shouldn’t have allowed that many Middle Eastern people here when they feel the way the feel about us and want US to change OUR WAYS to suit them, come on now, ain’t that ridiculous to say the least
commented 2015-06-23 20:50:41 -0400
I knew an immigration lawyer from Edmonton who just prior to September 11, 2001 was going to go to Jordan and other Middle Eastern countries to bring Muslims to Canada. The federal government had been petitioned from these countries and the UN to allow Muslims to come to Canada and join our work force. He spoke in “flowery” speech about how good they are and what a great work ethic they have then some of them flew some planes and did some bad things. Nice Minecraft glasses, but why the Mass murderer on your hat? You do realize he did not support a free press, freedom of religion and he murdered thousands of men, women, and children. You need to be re-educated: http://www.ihatethemedia.com/13-reasons-you-should-throw-away-your-che-guevara-t-shirt. And you’re welcome.
commented 2015-06-23 20:10:03 -0400
Pat Anjali : That is precisely why Junior raised my eyebrow today. He stuck to his guns and for once shown some TRUE leadership! It is about bloody time too…
commented 2015-06-23 20:08:08 -0400
lewyreal : They will be when we fix those laws, lets say, and their Jihadi Salafists are still trying to target non-Muslims for sanctified slavery and abuse prescribed by the Quran. Then you will see we have TWO problems…
commented 2015-06-23 20:05:37 -0400
To be fair Harper didn’t screw this up all on his own. This is still Pierre Trudeau, and his broken charter rights extending to the undeserving…
commented 2015-06-21 09:12:05 -0400
Muslims are not the issue! A quick look look in the mirror will disclose the real problems in the world, you still have the power though dwindling.Real men and women have to stand up to oppressive little rules and regs imposed on individual rights through special intrest groups ie carbon tax for example, dual citizenship holders banned from public office and organized labour. Moral perversions seem to be the biggest fad occupying all political parties, guess legal pedophilia will be next on the list of acceptable behaviors. REJECT them all. Canadian Period no hyphens.
commented 2015-06-20 12:08:42 -0400
I have written to politicians suggesting they consider an immediate and permanent ban on all immigration from any Muslim country until this whole terrorist problem gets solved. Of course it falls on deaf eyes. The destruction of Canada is well under way. Trudeau or Mulcair would be the gas pedal if either one got the reins.
commented 2015-06-20 11:50:03 -0400
Good post Gavin. Like you, like many, I have mixed feelings about C-51 concurrent with the mass immigration of Muslims into Canada which makes it necessary. I am pro-Conservative, particularly when I consider the alternatives; BUT, and it is a very BIG BUTT as that found on the likes of Mike Duffy, we are signing our own death warrant by continuing to allow Muslim immigration. Unfortunately, our Harper government, after 10 years in power, has become as responsible as the Lieberals for these seeds of our own destruction.
commented 2015-06-20 05:48:58 -0400
I love Gavin lol, it’s humor and seriousness at the same time.
commented 2015-06-19 23:30:48 -0400
In his day, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, invoked the war measures act to nip FLQ terrorism in the bud. It succeeded. He was a leader. He wasn’t distracted by the hand wringing sensibilities of the NDP. He did what had to be done to protect his nation. To his credit, his son, Justin Trudeau, supported Bill C-51 but Mulcair did not. National security decisions always have a downside. They are not taken lightly. But a true leader and guardian of our land has to bear the burden of the possible outrageous consequences on his or her conscience. It’s not a job for dreamers. It’s not a job for those who can’t rise bone partisan politics.
commented 2015-06-19 22:03:19 -0400
The point Gavin made about the doubling of Muslim immigration since 2011, is bloody insane. It has to stop. I’m gobsmacked over that. And in the House all Trudeau and Mulcair can scream about is more immigration, and how Harper isn’t doing enough of it?!
commented 2015-06-19 21:56:48 -0400
So how can the tables be turned and that used against people under socialists governments? Maybe Justin can revoke Mulcair’s Canadian passport when he is in France visiting, since he holds passports for both countries,
and owes Canadians money, he has yet to payback?

But seriously, unless it is like a wars measures act, which can be retracted, things could maybe get sticky?
commented 2015-06-19 21:50:34 -0400
This Paul Watson case is interesting. I didn’t know about it until Gavin made mention. I must have been sleeping.

Watson was born in Canada and held both Canadian and American passports. In 2012, German authorities took both his passports and detained him , based on outstanding warrants he had in Japan and Costa Rica. The Germans later sent the passports to U.S. and Canadian missions in Germany. The U.S. gave Watson his passport back, Canada wouldn’t do it.
“The immigration spokesman said it revoked Watson’s passport “in a professional and non-partisan manner” based on information it had in 2012, using provisions of Canadian passport rules for people facing charges." Canada told him he could reapply, which he is doing from Paris where he lives.

As I understand it, if Watson only had Canadian citizenship, Canada could not have left him without a passport. But he is also an American citizen, and Canada was within its rights to deny him given his outstanding charges. He could have chosen to reapply from the U.S. but chose to stay in Paris. He was not left without country.


I think that is how it works?
commented 2015-06-19 20:09:55 -0400
good discussion, i just wish i could disagree
commented 2015-06-19 15:03:34 -0400
“[A false dilemma] is a condition of the adequacy of a precise theory of an indeterminate phenomenon that it should precisely characterize that phenomenon as indeterminate; and a distinction is no less a distinction for allowing for a family of related, marginal, diverging cases.”

I’ve heard you complain about people citing marginal cases to discredit a distinction you’ve made in one of your theories about the adequacy of the status quo.

You know what I mean, Gavin? Life’s a bitch and then you die. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs. The realpolitik of the matter is that the ABC crowd could vote for Trudeau as the lesser of two evils. Collateral damage. We could go to war in an honourable cause but some of our men will die, even if we win.

Come on, man. Face the music and dance. Buck up. Stop dithering.
commented 2015-06-19 14:49:52 -0400
Brilliant. A simple look at a problem created by government policy yet uncontrollable without more policy. Perhaps one of the greatest conundrums in today democracies is the protection of the individual versus the protection of society. May society win?
commented 2015-06-19 14:49:44 -0400
Guy Fraser – I’d be open to allowing them to take all the Canadian Passports from the GreenPeace members, and crack down on their lawlessness too.

I agree that we need these passport and citizenship revoking measures during this point in time, but I also agree that this could become a major issue once the problems in question become negligible, but then I remember one saddening fact, and that is the problem in question may actually never go away enough, ever.
commented 2015-06-19 12:44:44 -0400
Paul Watson IS a TERRORIST! Stopping Illegal Whaling is a good cause but they way he does it is also Illegal and in international law attacking ships and throwing acid at people on those ships is an act of terror! He should be extradited to Japan to face trial!