June 16, 2018

The bigots won: Supreme Court rules against Christian law school

Ezra LevantRebel Commander

 

After many years of litigation, all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada… the bigots won.

Law Societies in Canada now have the legal right to blacklist Christian students who graduate from the proposed law school at Trinity Western University (TWU).

Law Societies — the regulatory bodies that decide who can and can’t practice law in any given province — can now discriminate against any lawyer in the future simply based on the fact that they attended TWU and signed that school’s student code of conduct, which requires students to live a Christian life while on campus.

It’s blatant anti-Christian discrimination. John Carpay of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedom, the public interest law firm that helped fight the battle for TWU, joined me to discuss this most outrageous court ruling.

For full background on this fight and to find out how you can help, visit TheRealBigots.com.

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commented 2018-06-20 04:38:51 -0400
‘Daniel’,

You are completely deluded and clueless on science, and your every comment confirms that beyond the shadow of a doubt. Your whole approach is just childlike faith in the atheist science establishment, which has been keeping you in the dark and feeding you the bullshit you keep regurgitating. You really are ignorant and deluded.

LMAO!!!
commented 2018-06-19 12:49:46 -0400
‘Daniel’,

You’re simply wrong, and so is Pat Robertson. You don’t know enough about science to know what you’re talking about, and neither does he. As it happens, I do. Helium diffusion is an experimentally verified scientific granite dating method that shows the Earth’s primordial granite is 6000 years old. You know nothing about it so you can’t comment on it intelligently, just voice you ignorance. So you’re deaf, dumb and blind, not me. But continue on in your delusions, don’t let valid science change your childlike faith in bogus atheist ‘science’.
commented 2018-06-19 09:30:57 -0400
The reality that Drive-By-Dan won’t Admit:

“Similarly, the religiously unaffiliated population is projected to shrink as a percentage of the global population, even though it will increase in absolute number. In 2010, censuses and surveys indicate, there were about 1.1 billion atheists, agnostics and people who do not identify with any particular religion.5 By 2050, the unaffiliated population is expected to exceed 1.2 billion. But, as a share of all the people in the world, those with no religious affiliation are projected to decline from 16% in 2010 to 13% by the middle of this century.

Four out of every 10 Christians in the world will live in sub-Saharan Africa.

Christianity has spread far from its historical origins and is geographically widespread. As noted in a 2011 Pew Research Center report on global Christianity, it has become a more geographically diverse religion since 1910, becoming less concentrated in Europe and more evenly distributed throughout the Americas, sub-Saharan Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.

As of 2010, about a quarter of the global Christian population was in Europe (26%), a quarter in Latin America and the Caribbean (25%) and a quarter in sub-Saharan Africa (24%). Significant numbers of Christians also live in Asia and the Pacific (13%) and North America (12%). Less than 1% live in the Middle East-North Africa region, where Christianity began.

Europe is the only region where the absolute number of Christians is expected to decline by 2050.

However, the share of sub-Saharan Africa’s population that is Christian is expected to drop slightly, from 63% in 2010 to 59% in 2050, because of EVEN MORE RAPID GROWTH AMONG THE REGION’S MUSLIMS.

Pew Research Center

Completely blows Drive-By-Dan out of the water.
commented 2018-06-19 09:17:30 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 7 hours ago
David Horowitz, “Godfather” of Islamophobia and Defender of Slavery

https://bennorton.com/david-horowitz-godfather-of-islamophobia-and-defender-of-slavery/
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“The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a non-profit organization that monitors extremist movements in the US,”
Your choice of sources explains a lot about your delusions. The SPLC are radical leftists. The statements they quote from David are absolutely true. Anyone who disagrees with the hateful Palestinians is Islamophobic, huh? The term is one size fits all label to shut down discussion. It is the lefts go to tool- ad hominem and strawman all packed into one.

By the way I see you still have not addressed my main point i response to your main point. You are still shifting the issue away from you being wrong.

“As I stated above those were the same odds in every country before Christianity arose out of Judaism and there are hundreds of millions of Christians today. FROM NOTHING TO THE LARGEST RELIGION AT 2.4 BILLION ADHERENTS. And most growth is taking place in the Third world. You can’t make the point you are trying to make. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it.”

And speaking of Palestinians did you notice your article said many of them are Christians and have been for hundreds of years? How can that be since they came out of a non-chrosyain future?

Deflect again.We are all expecting it.
commented 2018-06-19 09:08:51 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 7 hours ago
Allan Peterson,

I was referring to the countries in the link. Try to keep up.
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You didn’t say that, did you?
Try to be clear.
commented 2018-06-19 04:24:09 -0400
‘Daniel’,

The Left: Promoters of fascism, slavery and mass murder from Communism to Nazism to Sharia.

My computer skills are limited so do a web search on your favorite fascist ideology to learn more.
commented 2018-06-19 04:14:45 -0400
‘Daniel’,

The Earth (and solar system) is about 6000 years old. The overwhelming weight of scientific evidence proves that, and you believe it is 4.5 billion years old because of your childlike faith in the atheist science establishment that has kept you in the dark and fed you bullshit for years. You have zero credibility. LOL!
commented 2018-06-19 02:18:28 -0400
TED TADRIGHT commented 2 hours ago
Allan,

‘Daniel’ is arguing for the sake of arguing. Facts and logic are wasted on him. He isn’t interested in what is true or isn’t true, and does not value truth, so let him have his last word here and don’t waste any more time on him.
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Ted, I know that. Just like Mr-Babies-Are-Parasites. They do not seek the truth they want to create a truth in their own image. Or, as David Horowitz says, they want to bring in the Kingdom of Heaven without God. They shore do like to hear themselves talk and make grand proclamations on virtual reality. If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

But my calling is a prophetic one. The truth must be told to affirm it and let others see the weakness of their arguments. It is also valid if for no other reason than to leave them without excuse on judgement day. They cannot say they were not told. But then Paul encountered the risen Christ and started the mission to the gentiles that spread Christianity around the world (which Drive-By-Dan claims never happened) after vehement opposition. So there is hope for them yet.
(Sorry for the run on sentence.)
commented 2018-06-19 02:09:15 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 2 hours ago
Allan Peterson

We are not talking about Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Scotland, England, France, Lithuania, Poland, Latvia And Greece, so your point is completely moot.
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Yeah, actually we are. Here is what I said:

All of Europe used to be pagan. Yet they became overwhelmingly Christian. My Scottish ancestors were pagans as were my Swedish and Swiss ancestors. Yet they at some point became convinced of the truth of Christianity and gave up being pagans even though those nations were 100% pagan. They did not grow up in a Christian milieu. They made Europe Christian by choice.

And here is what you responded with:
Most of those countries don’t have millions of Christians, but mere thousands or a still very small demographic when compared to the entire population of many millions.

And once again you completely ignore the heart of my argument which I will post again to show how your tactics work: when proved wrong, don’t admit it. Just shift the topic around. Then resort to personal attack and name calling.

Here is what you did not respond to:

As I stated above those were the same odds in every country before Christianity arose out of Judaism and there are hundreds of millions of Christians today. FROM NOTHING TO THE LARGEST RELIGION AT 2.4 BILLION ADHERENTS. And most growth is taking place in the Third world. You can’t make the point you are trying to make. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it.
commented 2018-06-19 00:37:49 -0400
Allan,

‘Daniel’ is arguing for the sake of arguing. Facts and logic are wasted on him. He isn’t interested in what is true or isn’t true, and does not value truth, so let him have his last word here and don’t waste any more time on him.
commented 2018-06-18 23:39:38 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 8 hours ago
Allan Peterson,

Most of those countries don’t have millions of Christians, but mere thousands or a still very small demographic when compared to the entire population of many millions.
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So what? They are still there. You’re saying Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Scotland, England, France, Lithuania, Poland, Latvia, Greece and a host of others had insignificant numbers of believers? Better check your facts.

At any rate no country was Christian until Christianity arose. SO anywhere there are Christians people chose it in exchange for whatever they believed before. Many hundreds of millions.

The odds of you being a Christian in some of those countries is about the same as winning the lottery, so no – despite how Jesus you are now, that would most likely not be what you believe if you were born in those countries.
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Perhaps but so what? As I stated above those were the same odds in every country before Christianity arose out of Judaism and there are hundreds of millions of Christians today. FROM NOTHING TO THE LARGEST RELIGION AT 2.4 BILLION ADHERENTS. And most growth is taking place in the Third world. You can’t make the point you are trying to make. The evidence is overwhelmingly against it.

One call still examine the evidence and make a decision whether they were born in a predominantly Christian nation or not. Just like you did. .. Lots of Christians chuck the faith even though they were brought up in it. It cuts both ways.
commented 2018-06-18 15:19:33 -0400
ANDREW STEPHENSON

This ruling doesn’t remove your freedom of religion. – you’re more than welcome to be a Christian law student, the ruling is about TWU’s “covenant”. Thus, this is rather the opposite – it prevents TWU from taking that freedom away from its students.
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It removes the freedom of the TWU to teach Christian principles and to call its students at a private school to live according to those principles. The call is as much a part of christian belief as is the beliefs it is based on. Atheists and homosexuals choose to attend what they know is a Christian institution. If they do not like the life covenant they can choose to attend some other university with no standards.

You do NOT have the right to force that on others. Never did. Never will.
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I do have that right when they are in a place I own. My house or my school. They are free to choose a liberal school if they want. They do not have the right to change a Christians beliefs and practise. This private school has graciously opened itself to those of no faith at all. It could demand those of any faith standards they want to. Surely it is not too much to ask to respect the the place in which you are a guest.

Their beliefs are defended. However, according to SCOC they can’t exclude others from also attending, because that’s discriminatory.
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Their beliefs are defended until they aren’t. They were not excluding anyone. They were asking them to repeat the people who opened the place up to them. Further, what the Muslims are doing is irrelevant to this particular ruling which pertains solely to TWU.


Duh. I was comparing what lefties would do not what muslims ARE doing. Its called a conditional sentence: If X then Z.

“:I am surprised that someone who seriously claims that babies are parasites would expect me to take their lack of logic and rationalizations seriously.”

I’m not surprised you’d get distracted by yet more strawman arguments.
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It is not a strawman argument. You have shown by that proclamation that your reasoning abilities are sub par. If so then I would not out much stock in your reasoning. And I don’t.
commented 2018-06-18 15:18:38 -0400
‘Daniel’,

What is moronic is believing whatever the culture inculcates you into believing without checking all relevant material yourself. That’s your problem at the moment, not mine. I did that years ago and realized the weight of scientific evidence was heavily against a 4.6 billions of years old Earth and solar system. I’m busy at the moment, and this thread is below the fold now, so I’ll provide some of that evidence for you later on other threads. I don’t know how to import links onto this site, but I’ll tell you where to find the info.

BTW, you’re the one who believes ridiculous fairy tales, not me. I grew out of that when I decided years ago to check the evolutionist cultural paradigm against the facts, something you obviously haven’t done yet. But be of good cheer because I’m going to help you do it over the next while. I can’t leave you in your delusions, that wouldn’t be fair to you when I know so much science that has been kept from you by the atheist science establishment.

I believe the Earth is spherical. Apparently though, there is a growing atheist movement that believes it’s flat.

Bye for now.
commented 2018-06-18 15:05:51 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 3 hours ago
Allan Peterson,

The amount of Christians in some of those countries are negligible when you consider the main religion of those countries and population. In other words, it’s a tiny exception to the rule and laughable to suggest that YOU for sure would be a Christian if you were born there.
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The percentage in western nations is fairly insignificant , too. So what? All of Europe used to be pagan. Yet they became overwhelmingly Christian. My Scottish ancestors were pagans as were my Swedish and Swiss ancestors. Yet they at some point became convinced of the truth of Christianity and gave up being pagans even though those nations were 100% pagan. They did not grow up in a Christian milieu. They made Europe Christian by choice.

58 million is hardly insignificant.

laughable to suggest that YOU for sure would be a Christian if you were born there.
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I never suggested any such thing. You are putting words in my mouth.
commented 2018-06-18 13:51:05 -0400
‘Daniel’,

It’s actually 4.6 billion years that you’re referring to, not 4.5. In any case, I presume you’re referring to radiometric dating of rocks that is claimed to ‘prove’ that date for the Earth’s age. What you don’t realize is that that dating method cannot now be considered valid science due to a number of issues related to it. Among them are:

- Rocks of know age (because they were observed being formed within the last few hundred years, e.g. at Mount St. Helens and Hawaii) have been incorrectly ‘dated’ by radiometric means at over a million years old. If these methods give wrong dates on rocks of known age, wouldn’t they do the same for rocks of unknown age?

- Several radiometric dating methods are used and they often vary by hundreds of millions of years in their dates of the same rocks. If the dating methods were valid, they should give the same dates, no?

- the methods themselves are based on unproved assumptions, e.g. the amount of ‘parent’ material and ‘daughter’ material in the rock sample. If the assumptions are wrong, then the dates given are also wrong.

- Research using helium diffusion in zircon crystals in primordial granite has in fact given dates of 6000 years plus or minus 2000 years for those rocks, not billions of years given by the obviously flawed radiometric methods.

Needless to say, most labs in this field have not gone out of their way to let the public (including you, obviously) know about any of this. In effect, the public has been treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed BS).

The result of this is that most of the public, including you, have been conditioned into believing in a 4.6 billion year old Earth based on scientific ‘evidence’ that they themselves know is flawed, unreliable, and contradicted by other methods. At least one of those methods, helium diffusion, gives an age of the Earth of about 6000 years. Others give ages in the hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of years, not billions. That’s the truth.
commented 2018-06-18 13:22:22 -0400
Martin, excellent comment. It’s clear that this particular ruling had no reference at all to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms other than to pretend it doesn’t exist. The ruling is clearly just based on their liberal prejudices.
commented 2018-06-18 12:24:07 -0400
The fact of the matter is that ‘Justice’ has nothing to do with our court system and its decisions including the vaunted Supreme Court of Canada. The Men and women that sit at that bench and all benches in the court system are not Justices, they are men and women that have been given the opportunity to express their own personnel opinions on anything and everything that come before them seeking Justice. Matters that are brought before the court are truly seeking Justice, but will only get opinions by these men and women. The sad fact is that because these men and women went to Universities and practiced law for some time they were then elevated into the position of Judge and then appointed to their various positions where their personnel opinions are now considered law.
If one were to put forth any question concerning grievances where true justice is required to grade school children, we would probably get a much better version of ‘Justice’ than is put forth by these ‘educated’ Justices, simply because the children in grade school have not been exposed to prejudice of anything or anyone in most cases, whereas the highly educated men and women that hold the title of Judge or Justice have a life time of prejudice on everything and cannot help but express that in their judgments.
There is no such thing as a decision ‘without prejudice’.
Sadly also, all of this is true in the Liberal world that is being forced upon us more and more.
commented 2018-06-18 11:02:13 -0400
Canadians have the choice to either accept or reject Christ. For those who reject Christ, know this: Islam will rule over you and you will either bend the knee to Mohammed or die. Why? Because Islam will not stop until everyone submits. There are 1400 years of evidence to back up that claim. Atheists in Lebanon, Egypt and Iraq used to think Christianity was a threat. Lebanon used to be a Christian country. Same with Egypt. Same with Iraq. Now they are Muslim. The atheists conceded to Islam because at heart, they were nothing but cowards with loud mouths that spewed hatred against the only belief system that could help them.
The only things historically that ever stood in the way of Islam are Christ and those that believe in Him.
If you want more Christianity convert. If you want more Islam then go ahead and reject Christ. Because as Christianity wanes, it is Islam and not atheism, that is filling the void it leaves.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
commented 2018-06-18 09:38:14 -0400
“Peter Netterville commented 25 mins ago
What it comes down to in this article thread is those who support this SCC decision are happy that specifically Christians are having their Charter right being taken away from them.”

What Charter rights are those? How, specifically, does letting students have sex outside of heterosexual marriage infringe upon your rights? You retain the right to be a Christian. It doesn’t impact you at all. You do NOT have the right to force that on others. Never did. Never will.

“So, I ask you Christian haters. Why specifically Christians?”

Because it’s the Christians that decided that intruding into their student’s bedrooms is somehow a crucial part of one’s education – a full half-century after PET stated "there’s no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation’. Then they’re brazen enough to complain when they’re called out on it.

“Don’t worry. I don’t expect an honest answer. "

You’ll get an honest answer. You probably will call it otherwise, but this is just because you don’t like what you hear.
commented 2018-06-18 09:22:53 -0400
Allan Peterson commented 11 hours ago

“It is socialism to be very selective about whose rights get recognized. Under the Charter freedom of religion is still allowed. The SCOC decision infringes on that right because that is what socialist do.”

This ruling doesn’t remove your freedom of religion. – you’re more than welcome to be a Christian law student, the ruling is about TWU’s “covenant”. Thus, this is rather the opposite – it prevents TWU from taking that freedom away from its students.

“__Exactly. That is not their job. They have no right to define my religion anymore than someone’s politics”

As I said, the ruling only stops TWU from defining it for you. You have the right to make that determination yourself.

“Then those other Christians can start their own school and run it as they please. One school does not have to take a survey of all denominations to decide what they should do. Their beliefs are supposed to be defended under the Charter.”
Their beliefs are defended. However, according to SCOC they can’t exclude others from also attending, because that’s discriminatory.

“Nope. It is not a strawman. It is showing inconsistency.”
It is, because your supposed “inconsistency” doesnt’ exist – the Muslims have not tried a comparable act to determine whether consistency applies. You’re speculating it might be different, but speculation is not evidence. Further, what the Muslims are doing is irrelevant to this particular ruling which pertains solely to TWU.

“:I am surprised that someone who seriously claims that babies are parasites would expect me to take their lack of logic and rationalizations seriously.”

I’m not surprised you’d get distracted by yet more strawman arguments.
commented 2018-06-18 08:58:03 -0400
What it comes down to in this article thread is those who support this SCC decision are happy that specifically Christians are having their Charter right being taken away from them.

Few things make anti-Christians happier than seeing Christians beaten down, not because of what they say or do, but because they are Christians, because of what they believe.

And all the time cheering this ruling they are screaming “basic human rights for all”, “diversity is our strength”, “equality for all” … … except, of course, for Christians.

So, I ask you Christian haters. Why specifically Christians?

Don’t worry. I don’t expect an honest answer.
commented 2018-06-18 08:49:00 -0400
DANIEL OCEAN commented 6 hours ago
Teddy Boy,

If you were born in any of these countries, you would most likely not believe in Jesus Christ or Christianity. Again, completely arbitrary.
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And yet the link you posted proves you wrong:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jul/27/where-in-the-world-is-it-worst-place-to-be-a-christian
If these are the worst countries in which to be a Christian then there must be Christians in those countries, no? As Ted says there are no countries anywhere that I can think of where there are no Christians.

Yes, we definitely tend to hold to the faith of our local region but not exclusively so. Usually this is due to fear- like being killed for apostasy in muslim countries. Otherwise Europe would not be as secular as it is. It was the foundation of Christianity for millennia. Otherwise no one would convert. Even in muslim countries there were and are Christians. China has the largest number of Christinas in the world:

“China’s Protestant community, which had just one million members in 1949, has already overtaken those of countries more commonly associated with an evangelical boom. In 2010 there were more than 58 million Protestants in China compared to 40 million in Brazil and 36 million in South Africa, according to the Pew Research Centre’s Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Prof Yang, a leading expert on religion in China, believes that number will swell to around 160 million by 2025. That would likely put China ahead even of the United States, which had around 159 million Protestants in 2010 but whose congregations are in decline.”

Source:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

China, Brazil and South Africa. So your tidy little theory doesn’t seem to hold water does it?

As I said before if you really want to kill off Christianity disprove the resurrection. If that is not an actual historical event then the rest of it is of no consequence.
commented 2018-06-18 08:46:52 -0400
Why are lefties / socialists / SJWs so dimwitted?
commented 2018-06-18 08:45:59 -0400
Tom Bradley said, "I guess religious rights don’t trump basic human rights. Don’t forget your hero Harper appointed most of these judges. "

Tom, you are stating that TWU is violating the basic human rights of people who might want to attend the university by imposing a code of conduct. All universities have a code of conduct, even blatantly socialist universities.

All organizations on the planet of any types no matter what they are require a certain code of conduct to be a member.

If what you believe was applied to its’ logical conclusion, as it should to be fair and equal, then no organization no matter what it is would have the right to apply any code of conduct because there surely would be at least one person that would be offended that their “basic human rights” was being violated.
commented 2018-06-18 08:33:07 -0400
Muta Ween,
I don’t think Ted realizes he is speaking with the new pseudonym of the longstanding troll with many names.
commented 2018-06-18 05:16:07 -0400
This is possibly the worst opinion thread I’ve ever attempted to read in this forum.