December 15, 2017

The Canadian conservative “old boys club has got to go”

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

On this week's show, Prem Singh of Alberta Can't Wait joined me to talk about how conservative voters can defeat Trudeau's Liberals and Notley's NDP in the next election.

 

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commented 2017-12-18 03:06:29 -0500
RANK HOHIMER commented 14 hours ago

Did this really need to be explained to you?
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Nope. I already said that.

The conservative politicians you named before like Harper, would be considered liberal lite in America.
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Exactly my point. And yet the MSM and you call them extreme right when it suits you.
We haven’t had a real right wing leader in decades. It should be tried out. They might just be surprised by the support they get. That’s why you and Andrew spend so much time dissing them. Because you’re afraid a conservative might get heard and voted in.
commented 2017-12-18 03:02:24 -0500
Andrew, thanks for agreeing with me.The conservatives aren’t conservative. They are Liberal lite. We agree on that. You say the go lite because it won’t sell in Canada, I say its never been tried and they would be surprised if they did try it.

I think you meant urban perversity rather than diversity Of course in Zhister Truedeau’s world who knows? They tend to be the same thing.

Never thought of Christie Clark. I wasn’t trying to make an exhaustive list. Just what came to mind.

You keep ignoring what I say: They are afraid of bing labelled by the left instead of sticking to Conservative principles. They are sucks. They serve no purpose if al they are is Liberal Lite. We already have the Libs and NDP for that. If they have nothing to offer that is truly conservative, why bother?

The cons you mention don’t fit in with what the CBC thinks and they control the narrative. Canadians haven’t heard a conservative perspective in years since the CRTC won’t allow it. Nor does the Liberal Party by holding their purse strings.

If the message never gets out it can never be evaluated on its own merits, Thats why we need to try something different. A conservative who talks relentlessly like a conservative. I’d love to give it 4 years and see what happens.
commented 2017-12-17 22:58:41 -0500
liza rosie,

Well the Rebel brand of conservatives are sure as shit not like classic conservatives. John A. Macdonald would call you crazy.
commented 2017-12-17 15:04:42 -0500
I really meant to say subjugate. That word better describes what Islam wishes for our country Andrew.
commented 2017-12-17 14:56:09 -0500
Andrew did you not read William Elders post? You ignored what he said. He could not be more spot on. What’s called ‘liberal’ these days is not classical liberal at all it is neo Marxist with out a doubt.

…and Andrew for the record AGAIN, read my words, Muslims are NOT bad, ISLAM is. Islam is the problem, the social/cultural, legal, all encompassing ideology which wishes to subordinate western culture. If you don’t get that yet, you will.

William Elder posted, " Liberalism was/is a passion for freedom, democracy and a constitutionally restrained state, like conservatives they believe strongly in anyone-can-play capitalism – pretty much the polar opposite of the Neo-Marxists in the LPC now who run a political brokerage party of pay to play kleptocracy.

Today’s so-called Liberals want to grow the state beyond our resources or constitutional limits and use it to bludgeon the population into submissive compliance to a narrow set of leftist dogmas, many of which are self-destructive."
commented 2017-12-17 13:34:50 -0500
William Elder,

Then please explain why the Liberals have been in power for the majority of Canada’s existence and the Conservative Party has been like a fringe group that only seems to win, when certain Liberal politicians really fuck up.

In other words, The Liberal party is Canada’s choice, but they will throw a bone to the Conservative party when Canadians feel the can’t re-elect a certain Liberal politician for whatever reason or when a candidate is truly horrible like Michael Ignatieff.
commented 2017-12-17 13:20:17 -0500
Al Peterson,

They were voted in because they presented a center right position as opposed to an extreme right position that Rebel supporters want to see in their conservative politicians, which is why they have a problem with Andrew Scheer, since he is also presenting a center right position.

Did this really need to be explained to you?

The conservative politicians you named before like Harper, would be considered liberal lite in America.
commented 2017-12-17 13:14:40 -0500
Mike Krchnak,

Holy fuck, you are seriously crazy and need help. Read your post below – you sound like mentally deranged person ranting on a street corner to yourself.
commented 2017-12-17 12:27:53 -0500
Al Peterson commented 12 hours ago
Andrew and Frank, these are what are being labelled conservative in Canada and yet they still got voted in. You guys would call them “extreme rightwing” in a heart beat if suited your purposes. Conservatives are afraid of the big bad lefties who will call them names if they speak plainly. They think if they have to appear centrist to get voted in. But we may never know if a true right of centre conservative would pull it off because they are too afraid of the lefty name callers.

I still maintain that if conservatives would stand their ground and speak their minds they could turn people to the right. Reality cohere’s with people’s experience. Left wing wishful thinking does not. You know this too which is why you keep harping on “Canada has always been a leftwing nation”. You ‘re afraid I’m right so you keep trying to beat that notion into people’s minds. It ain’t going to work. There are still 5000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal. And never will. "

I don’t give too much credibility to labels for that very reason (is this why you omitted Christie Clark from your list? She’s labeled a “liberal” but was probably the most right-wing politician in the country for a long time). I’m asking for examples of actual conservative policy that differs from the same vague neoliberal economic policies and loose social liberalism that all the major parties subscribe to in various forms.

Why are they afraid of speaking their minds? The answer is that it doesn’t represent what Canadians think. Maybe a vocal subset, but it’s not widely supported. That’s why the counter-attacks work. The barbaric cultural practices hotline? Yes, it was intended to be vaguely xenophobic. Some aspect of the base likes that (overlapping with the Rebel’s core readership). But beyond that base … the xenophobic undertones were widely rejected. They spoke their mind and got burnt for it. Kellie Leitch then tried to run for leadership on the same plain speaking vaguely xenophobic platform, and that too fell apart, since it didn’t even find traction among the most fertile grounds of the activist CPC base.

You allude to Canadian’s experiences. That’s the problem in that you’re thinking of your experiences, and that of your own social group – your sample has a large selection bias within it. But … Canadians are a diverse bunch. The conservative worldview is itself a poor fit to the experience of Canadians who live in the cities (and who vastly outnumber rural people), for whom sexual and cultural diversity is normal and accepted as a given. Social conservatism isn’t going to sell at all in the urban ridings where elections are decided. Muslims are bad? Well, I live in a city and interact with Muslims every day. And, no, they’re not. They’re … just people.

That leaves you with economic conservatism, which most here don’t think reaches far enough. Scheer or Patrick Brown put together right-of-centre economic platforms, while staying well away from social conservative issues that will cripple them in the cities. It’s a platform that might actually win, but it’s decried among the base as “CINO”, if not in cruder sexual terms. Yet, even there your named conservatives weren’t particularly conservative (eg, Harper’s boutique tax credits; Wall’s deliberate endorsement of Sask’s socialist Crown structure, Pallister’s status-quo continuation of NDP policies with a bit of administrative shuffling). Or, you can look at carbon taxes. Yes, calling them that is virtue signaling. But the underlying economic principles (of consumption based taxation replacing revenue based taxation) is fundamentally a conservative principle.
commented 2017-12-17 11:33:59 -0500
Neither one of these Lib-left partisan trolls have a firm grasp of Canadian politics – or history for that matter , they are either sponsored disinfo ops or they have had a partisan lobotomy by CBC HQ.

Canada was founded by a Conservative, Canada’s largest government mandate ever was conservative and the current Liberal party (post Pearson) have been radical leftists and oligarch corporate shills , NOT centrists and certainly not “Liberal” by any measure of that ideology. Liberalism was/is a passion for freedom, democracy and a constitutionally restrained state, like conservatives they believe strongly in anyone-can-play capitalism – pretty much the polar opposite of the Neo-Marxists in the LPC now who run a political brokerage party of pay to play kleptocracy.

Today’s so-called Liberals want to grow the state beyond our resources or constitutional limits and use it to bludgeon the population into submissive compliance to a narrow set of leftist dogmas, many of which are self-destructive.
commented 2017-12-17 03:44:44 -0500
Frank you fuckwit! You’re calling me crazy? Have you read your own posts?
I suggest you do something useful with your life and you don’t like my idea, then say so.
Now someone that obsessively attacks a site and it’s readers/commenters under countless assumed names, calling me crazy is the epitome of hypocrisy. You’re not all that sound of mind, in my opinion, for simply supporting and defending this despicable, unqualified federal government. They are not true liberals as what the true meaning is, far far from it. They are globalist, regressive fucktards and so are most of there tribal followers. As for the rest, they’re just low information clowns that want free stuff and stuff like that and you know…….other stuff.
My suggestion was thought out and I believe it best for all involved, now suck it up and do the right thing.
commented 2017-12-17 03:27:52 -0500
Andrew and Frank when your twit peers say the Rebel does not criticize the Conservative party will you be honest and say they do?
commented 2017-12-17 03:27:08 -0500
Andrew and Frank are just unable to understand that we can criticize our own party and that we are not just party sheep like they are.
commented 2017-12-17 03:26:27 -0500
Andrew no they did not, they left it up to a democratic vote in the house. The Liberals do not. There was a vote on reasonable limits on abortion for example and Harper stood with the vote. The Liberals do no such thing.
commented 2017-12-17 00:19:30 -0500
Andrew and Frank, these are what are being labelled conservative in Canada and yet they still got voted in. You guys would call them “extreme rightwing” in a heart beat if suited your purposes. Conservatives are afraid of the big bad lefties who will call them names if they speak plainly. They think if they have to appear centrist to get voted in. But we may never know if a true right of centre conservative would pull it off because they are too afraid of the lefty name callers.

I still maintain that if conservatives would stand their ground and speak their minds they could turn people to the right. Reality cohere’s with people’s experience. Left wing wishful thinking does not. You know this too which is why you keep harping on “Canada has always been a leftwing nation”. You ‘re afraid I’m right so you keep trying to beat that notion into people’s minds. It ain’t going to work. There are still 5000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal. And never will.
commented 2017-12-16 22:58:19 -0500
Andrew Stephenson,

Absolutely right. They were centrists, which proves my point further.

People on The Rebel even said that Harper wasn’t conservative enough – especially since he wouldn’t do away with the CBC, but instead gave them money.
commented 2017-12-16 19:35:01 -0500
Al Peterson commented 19 hours ago
FRANK HOHIMER commented 16 mins ago
Al Peterson,

You live in Canada. Not America. Completely different mentality. We are a very liberal country by comparison.
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So you keep saying. OK, then… Harper. Wall. Pallister. Kenney
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What, particularly, do you feel made/makes each of these individuals “conservative”? Every single one of them avoided divisive right wing wedge issues. Every single one. They were all very deliberate centrists in pretty much every way. The only thing that came even close to a SoCon puritanical streak was when Wall re-banned alcohol and strippers from being in the same place.
commented 2017-12-16 12:20:54 -0500
And, Frank, my point is that “Canadians” have already voted in a swath of conservatives so much for us being a nation of Lib-left zombies.
commented 2017-12-16 12:19:13 -0500
FRANK HOHIMER commented 9 hours ago
Al Peterson,

Yes – they would all lose against Trudeau in 2019.

Kelly Leitch tried the Trump game plan. It was a fucking disaster for her. Why? Canada is not America.
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Yeah, so you keep saying.
Wrong, “conservatives” were afraid that the CBC and the rest of the Lefty throngs would call them bad names ending in -ites. -phobes and -ists is instead of sticking to their principles and guns.

But its all good. As Ted Byfield said years ago, “Canadians like their PM’s stupid”. They can’t go for long without one so, yeah, a second term for Trudeau wouldn’t surprise me. He could pitchfork babies into dumpsters and he would still still win.
commented 2017-12-16 09:49:01 -0500
Canada can’t afford any more Trudeau. It`s that simple. But I fear he`ll get in again and Canada will be in the shitter for good.

Scheer isn`t the man for the job. He`s demonstrated that many times. I honestly think he`s a Lieberal in sheep`s clothing. I could have said wolf but I think he`s a pussy so I didn`t.

We had a chance with Kelly Leitch but the Conservative Party blew it. Trump tactics are what we need right now to rid Canada of the Lieberal disease.
commented 2017-12-16 03:01:58 -0500
Al Peterson,

Yes – they would all lose against Trudeau in 2019.

Kelly Leitch tried the Trump game plan. It was a fucking disaster for her. Why? Canada is not America.
commented 2017-12-16 03:00:16 -0500
Drew Wakariuk,

Many Canadian think he is doing a good job. Obviously things could be better, but they are prepared to re-elect him over voting for a Conservative.

Even if Trudeau was doing a great job by every standard – you would never admit it and you would still want him gone.
commented 2017-12-16 00:31:41 -0500
FRANK HOHIMER commented 16 mins ago
Al Peterson,

You live in Canada. Not America. Completely different mentality. We are a very liberal country by comparison.
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So you keep saying. OK, then… Harper. Wall. Pallister. Kenney
commented 2017-12-16 00:19:33 -0500
I thought liberals liked change? They voted for yet another white guy from Quebec and the same old tired corruption.
commented 2017-12-16 00:18:53 -0500
Frank Hohimer you have to be real here, even you would know that Justin pushing for trade with SJW conditions in China is ludicrous.
commented 2017-12-16 00:17:47 -0500
Frank Hohimer it is cute that Liberals think Justin is doing a good job.
commented 2017-12-16 00:15:44 -0500
Mike Krchnak,

You have serious mental issues. You sound like a crazy person in your posts.
commented 2017-12-16 00:14:33 -0500
Al Peterson,

You live in Canada. Not America. Completely different mentality. We are a very liberal country by comparison.

Stop trying to make false equivalencies. Trump wouldn’t have a hope in hell in being elected in CANADA. How can you be so clueless about the country you live in and the people in that country?
commented 2017-12-16 00:05:41 -0500
Got Net Nanny for the kids, and now I can’t watch “The Canadian conservative old boys club has got to go” without signing in to YouTube and turning off restricted mode. By the way, how’s that app coming along?
commented 2017-12-15 20:44:13 -0500
Truedough’s “old boys club” is the Laurentian corporate elite, the Saudis, Communist Chinese and the Soros network…..it’s really crowded in spud’s bed.

In Alberta all the UPC needs to do is lay out a plan get Alberta back to work and keep taxes low – when they have a firm mandate they can downsize government to the size it is no longer a threat to our freedom or prosperity.
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