April 18, 2017

The coming censorship of livestream

Rebel Staff

06/24/17 UPDATE AND APOLOGY: Several passages in this video by Jack Posobiec were copied word-for-word, but without attribution, from original work produced by Lana Nasser, which can be seen here. The Rebel would like to apologize to Ms. Nasser.

 

In the wake of the explosion of livestreaming apps such as Periscope, Youtube Live, and Facebook Live, many are realizing that these livestreams represent more than just a way for people to interact directly. 

People are seeing these apps as a way of sharing immediate news and information about breaking situations such as terrorist attacks, riots as we saw in Berkeley, and now crimes such as those of the so-called Facebook shooter in Cleveland.

Now, mainstream media are calling for censorship of these platforms, saying it's in the name of protecting children from violence, but it also is a way to shut down the biggest threats to mainstream media:

The independent and citizen journalists who have now been empowered by the same new tools of livestreaming.

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commented 2017-04-21 00:07:12 -0400
Peter Netterville,

You are now officially an extreme conservative and that’s no longer up for debate, so any argument we have in the future is due to a lack of reason on your part. End of story.

And this is why you love The Rebel and why reasonable conservatives got the fuck out of here.
commented 2017-04-21 00:03:21 -0400
Peter Netterville,

Yep, I just handed you your ass by both proving that you are extreme and that Faith DID say what I claimed.

This is one of your “tells” when you know you lost the argument. You say conservation over, because you have NOTHING to come back to negate proof that I have provided.
commented 2017-04-20 23:50:45 -0400
Whatever you say, Jack, whatever you say. Conversation over.
commented 2017-04-20 23:44:22 -0400
Peter Netterville,

I don’t do any of those things.

You perceive that I do those things, because you want The Rebel to be a bubble of like minded people. Every single time a liberal posts anything – they are met with comments of trolling and paid trolls. You all actually think it’s the same two or three people that simply use multiple names.

Again, I wasn’t having any problem with the reasonable conservatives that used to post here, but left for the exact same reasons that I am stating to you here.

I don’t need to get anything corroborated. Either you stand by the things you say or you don’t. I think the comments I post from you will be quite clear regarding an extreme view and will speak for itself.

So prepare yourself. It’s coming.

It’s undeniable that Jesus would not approve of your arrogance, feelings of superiority and judging people on what you deem to be a lack of morals. There is nothing you can say that will change that. It doesn’t matter if you spend every waking moment in church and read the Bible front to back on a daily basis.
commented 2017-04-20 23:06:39 -0400
“Every position you have is lacking in reason.”

I truly don’t think you are the one to make that decision since your opinion is hardly objective.

“Do you think it’s reasonable to be able to find a few minutes of random footage here and there out of thousands of videos?”

I can wait for your reply. Take all the time you need. But I suspect that there is no footage of what you claim.

" … save them and show you why you are extreme"

Sure, and make sure that it is not just your opinion, but corroborated by a neutral third party, because to be quite frank, Jack, I view your opinions as equally far left wing.

“1. People are not trolling here, but there are opposing views and liberals that come here. "

Internet Troll: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional

Jack, you do all those things.

“2. Vile comments? Please. Put your big boy pants on.”

Yet you whine when I return your insults. Odd that.

“3. You feeling superior to those you deem to have a lack of morals. Jesus would not approve. "

You do not have the qualifications to tell me how I feel. You also come across to me as arrogant and acting superior, and condescending. In addition, you are not at all in any way shape or form qualified to tell me of what Jesus does or does not approve.
commented 2017-04-20 22:14:48 -0400
Peter,

This for a quick example is laughably ridiculous and yes – kooky extreme:

My guess is that we have here maybe about 3 or 4 different trolls with several accounts each that post their vile comments, proudly parading their lack of morals as good and insulting those here that have a moral center.

That is fucked Peter on multiple levels. I hope understand that.

1. People are not trolling here, but there are opposing views and liberals that come here.

2. Vile comments? Please. Put your big boy pants on.

3. You feeling superior to those you deem to have a lack of morals. Jesus would not approve.

There are many comments from you like this.
commented 2017-04-20 22:07:50 -0400
Peter Netterville,

Every debate we have had on here is because you have an extreme view. It’s not just a simple difference of opinion. Every position you have is lacking in reason. You saying that I have a lack of morals is an extreme position.

I have stated any lies about Ezra or Faith. Do you think it’s reasonable to be able to find a few minutes of random footage here and there out of thousands of videos?

I will tell you what though – I will point out comments you make from this point on – save them and show you why you are extreme. You certainly are not going to change now, so better to point out recent comments over past ones. You will get your evidence.
commented 2017-04-20 21:57:05 -0400
Jack, you are the one who said I was “extreme”, so you obviously must have some example of what I said that made you think I am extreme.

So all I am asking is that you provide some comments I said that you think are extreme.

I have said nothing at all about “ll entertainment does is promote evil”. Neither have I ever said anything about the “liberals are wanting to create an army of pedophiles”.

So if you do not have any examples of where I said, in your opinion, something extreme, then you are just making up the label “extreme” and calling me that just to insult me … just like you make up lies about Ezra and Faith claiming that “liberals are wanting to create an army of pedophiles” just to make an unfounded accusation.

And just like you accuse all the regular supporters here of being bigots, racists, Islamophobes (and a variety of other insults) without any evidence.
commented 2017-04-20 21:35:40 -0400
Peter Netterville,

I am not going to go through a ton of videos to find them discuss those things in the years that The Rebel has been running. Maybe you have The Rebel and every video and comment indexed, but I don’t. The Rebel certainly use clickbait headlines, but not that obvious.

None the less, we are talking about you – do you feel this way:

If you have the opinion for example that all entertainment does is promote evil or a lack of morality, sorry – but you are not reasonable and you are extreme.

If you have the position that liberals are wanting to create an army of pedophiles, sorry – but you are not reasonable and you are extreme.

Do you think the Wynne government are trying to sexualize children with the sex education program?
commented 2017-04-20 21:01:29 -0400
“You know who has those kinds of views? Ezra Levant and Faith Goldy. "

Just post the links to the video(s) where they said those things in your next comment, please.
commented 2017-04-20 20:55:13 -0400
Peter Netterville,

They just delete your account, so you can still sign up again and use the same information.

I use the word extreme as it’s generally used to define the difference extreme conservatives vs. center right vs fiscal conservatives/social liberal on SOME issues vs conservatives that have voted liberal before vs. people that you would classify as conservative in name only, etc.

If you have the opinion for example that all entertainment does is promote evil or a lack of morality, sorry – but you are not reasonable and you are extreme.

If you have the position that liberals are wanting to create an army of pedophiles, sorry – but you are not reasonable and you are extreme.

You know who has those kinds of views? Ezra Levant and Faith Goldy.

The very fact that you think I lack any morals and have stated so – sorry, but you are not reasonable and you are extreme.
commented 2017-04-20 20:36:43 -0400
Re Jack’s paragraph, "Are you suggesting … "

On some thing I am center right, but you are suggesting that Liberal policies are center right. Very few. Most now under Justin are far left, some even left of the NDP.

Re: The paragraph, "Sun News and The Rebel are not reasonable or sensible … "

That is your opinion. If you give me an example or two so I know what you think is “fear mongering, hyperbole, propaganda and content that is considered extreme right/alt-right”, and HOW it is, that would help me to understand your point of view … (something you do not offer me, to understand my point of view).

And Jack, if you had been banned 10 times before, then you had to have used other aliases because they would not allow someone to register with a banned name.

Have you heard of the “Boy who cried wolf?” You have lied so many time, I cannot trust that you are no lying now.
commented 2017-04-20 20:05:44 -0400
Jack said, “It’s laughable for you to even suggest that you are reasonable or that you are not extreme right. Your posts here on a daily basis confirm exactly who you are.”

You do understand don’t you, that it is only your opinion as to what constitutes “extreme” that makes me “extreme”. You state the word “extreme” as if it is an absolute and thoroughly defined term second only to gravity … or to use your analogy “as water”.

I mean, repeating it over and over that I am extreme does not make me extreme any more than stating over and over that there really is a “gay gene”.

So instead of just repeating yourself ad-infinitum ad-nausium with the same tired statement, actually write up a comment upon what you think I am extreme and why you think it.
commented 2017-04-20 19:52:47 -0400
Peter Netterville,

LOL.

A person can still be reasonable and sensible in their thinking, but I still don’t agree with them. Again, they are conservatives and I am liberal. They are also not socialists in any capacity.

It’s laughable for you to even suggest that you are reasonable or that you are not extreme right. Your posts here on a daily basis confirm exactly who you are.

Are you suggesting now that you are center right? Are you suggesting that that there some liberal policies that you can agree with? Or do you have a seething hate for anything liberal and would hope for a Canada one day where the liberal viewpoint is extinct.

Sun News and The Rebel are not reasonable or sensible – it’s fear mongering, hyperbole, propaganda and content that is considered extreme right/alt-right and you eat this shit up, because you share the same extreme viewpoint. A conservative like Erin, who again – I often disagreed with, finally realized that The Rebel’s content was just too crazy for her and she had to leave permanently. You on the other hand hope for a day when The Rebel is the biggest news source in the world.

Jack Carter is my real name, but as I stated below – I have been banned here like 10 times – you know, because The Rebel censors opinions that they don’t agree with despite their crusade for free speech, which of course is hypocritical.

One last thing – people who are extreme, won’t admit it. So I am never going to get an admission from you or anyone else here that they are extreme right, even though your stated viewpoints fit within the box of extreme right. You are convinced that you are normal and reasonable, but sorry Peter – you are not. You are Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin, which probably makes you proud.
commented 2017-04-20 15:52:05 -0400
“You call what I said an insult? You are one sensitive fuck. "
Oh, I thought that was the theme for today. Remember this, “You also don’t want me here – that’s all there is to it”

" the difference is that they are REASONABLE and SENSIBLE in their positions"
Translation: “They agree with me, otherwise they would be unreasonable and insensible.”

“Even they think Sun News and The Rebel are batshit crazy”
Translation: “See, they are as left wing and socialist as I am but call themselves Conservatives. So you must believe them … and me too!”

“So perhaps you need to accept the fact that you are among the EXTREME
Translation: “So perhaps you need to be as left wing and socialist and them and me too, otherwise I will call you extreme.”

“Why do you think so many conservatives left this place after a while when The Rebel first launched?”
Translation: “The Rebel has grow exponentially since its’ launch and I cannot explain why so I will just ignore that and claim it is only the extreme that come here … ’cuz I said so and what I say goes!”

“I used to have great conversations with a woman named Erin – remember her.”
Translation: “Oops, I just revealed I have been on here with a whole bunch of other aliases yet have claimed Jack Cater is my real name and have never been here before. Just go with it and hope Peter doesn’t notice.”

“Don’t be one of the extreme. Pull it back.”
Translation: “Anyone I declare is extreme is extreme. Now bow down to me because I am god.”
commented 2017-04-20 15:26:14 -0400
Peter Netterville,

You call what I said an insult? You are one sensitive fuck.

I have plenty of friends that are conservative and Christian – the difference is that they are REASONABLE and SENSIBLE in their positions. Even they think Sun News and The Rebel are batshit crazy.

So perhaps you need to accept the fact that you are among the EXTREME and that I have a problem with your views, because they are the opposite of REASONABLE and SENSIBLE.

Why do you think so many conservatives left this place after a while when The Rebel first launched? I used to have great conversations with a woman named Erin – remember her. We didn’t always agree, but she understood why I felt the way that I do and vice versa. She wasn’t like you and your position that you are morally superior, etc.

Don’t be one of the extreme. Pull it back.
commented 2017-04-20 14:09:57 -0400
Jack, how did I know that you were going to insult me for not knowing who Bill O’Reilly is? Oh right, because you would also have insulted me for knowing who he is

It is in your nature to hate and deride those who you do not agree with. Yes, the tolerant left. You are a perfect example of the"tolerant" left. And I am at least two thing you loathe and despise to you deepest level of your person, a Conservative and a Christian.
commented 2017-04-20 13:34:47 -0400
Peter Netterville,

How can you call yourself a conservative and not know who Bill O’Reilly is? In simple terms, Bill is what Ezra Levant wishes he was.
commented 2017-04-20 12:07:43 -0400
Never watched Bill O’Reilly. I had to go look up who Bill O’Reilly is. It does not affect me one way or another.
commented 2017-04-20 11:37:29 -0400
Jack Carter,

I am right and we both know it.

By the way, are you happy that Bill O’Reilly’s career is over?
commented 2017-04-20 11:20:17 -0400
Whatever you say, Jack.
commented 2017-04-20 10:24:01 -0400
Peter Netterville,

You don’t have a sense of humor. You also don’t want me here – that’s all there is to it, but you don’t want to come across like I bother you, so your attempt at sarcasm is actually bullshit.
commented 2017-04-20 10:22:37 -0400
@ Space Moose, " I would not be surprised if the premium paywall stuff gets censored too."

What I would like to see is the comments on the pages that house premium content are also restricted to subscribers.
commented 2017-04-20 10:20:24 -0400
Jack said, " … so it’s too late now to pretend that I am some sort of entertainment factor for you like The Rebel is for me. "

I was employing the use of sarcastic humor. Yes, I know it is hard to tell when one is being sarcastic in a comment. Just because I find the court jester amusing doesn’t mean I want him around all the time.
commented 2017-04-20 03:00:02 -0400
It is just a matter of time before the rebel gets censored. I would not be surprised if the premium paywall stuff gets censored too.
commented 2017-04-19 21:09:39 -0400
Peter Netterville,

Unfortunately you have already stated that you wish I was gone and that you hate me more or less, so it’s too late now to pretend that I am some sort of entertainment factor for you like The Rebel is for me.

The reality is that you want this place to be a bubble for people who think like you without the liberals, people you deemed be trolls or better yet – PAID trolls like Liza thinks I am.
commented 2017-04-19 21:05:10 -0400
Keith and Helen Harvey,

Except many of my comments get deleted and I have been banned like 10 times now. That’s not free speech.
commented 2017-04-19 11:12:38 -0400
@ Keith Harvey

Jack posts here a lot because he likes it here.

Yes, he wails, bawls and cries calling us every possible name under the sun, and yes has an arrogant attitude that self-elevates himself to the highest of IQs while degrading everyone of whom he does not agree with (which is everyone here but other leftist/socialist trolls) as dullards, racists, Islamophobes, bigots, etc., etc., barf, barf … but he adds a humorous aspect to The Rebel, like the court fool.

So let’s all thank Jack Carter for being who he is!
commented 2017-04-19 11:02:16 -0400
Robert Brunelle said, " … it will either be infiltrated or shut down. "

There are ways to avoid or mitigate those types of attacks. But I guess here is not the venue to discuss those. It is all a dream anyway because the money just isn’t available. Oh well, one can dream.