June 07, 2016

The Conservative Party of Canada is in danger

Spencer GibaraRebel Blogger

After its defeat last October, the Conservative Party of Canada was quickly reduced to an erratic and remarkably lame political entity. My faith in it has nearly evaporated, and my patience is running out.

When it was led by Stephen Harper, the Conservative Party was at its strongest, and easily its most principled. Of course, the inner-workings of any party are hard to discern, but since Harper's retreat into the background, the party seems to be moving backwards as well. Perhaps the grip he was reported to hold on the party was not exaggerated after all.

As a conservative, I cannot look at the last eight months and claim anything as a victory. In fact, it’s been a complete and utter disaster, as the Conservatives have failed spectacularly by nearly every measure, and haven’t been able to mount any resistance to the onslaught of media and opposition party narratives.

I used to admire the Conservative Party's determination to move in the opposite direction as the Left. It wouldn’t pander to left wing ideologues or try to be a media darling. But that has swiftly changed, as the Conservative Party of Canada is morphing into what its opponents want it to be: elitist, unprincipled, and destined to lose.

First we have Rona Ambrose, who, despite being lauded by Ottawa’s “important people,” has been a total bore, completely uninspiring to conservatives and regular Canadians alike. Seven months into her term as opposition leader, she has made zero progress cutting into Trudeau’s popularity. I’m convinced that the “Draft Rona” campaign to get her elected as the Conservative nominee is either a joke or a Liberal ploy to give us the dullest option on the table. But hey, at least she has Snapchat!

However, I can’t lay the blame for the state of the party entirely at her feet. Looking at the prospects for our new leader, I’m doubting the party’s ability to even remain conservative. MacKay, Bernier, Raitt and O’Leary are all cut from the same Red Tory cloth, where being conservative only matters on the issues easiest to defend.

I’m not asking for a hardline, unelectable, right-wing demagogue, but I want someone who can at least pretend that they aren’t ashamed of their own party.

Conservatives have clearly bought into the post-election narrative: That we lost because we became the party of tyrannical oppressors, while the Liberals were the shining pillars of moral righteousness. This narrative, despite all evidence to the contrary, is being fed to us by the very party we voted for, and it’s nothing but insulting.

Take, for example, the vote to overturn the Conservative Party’s opposition to same-sex marriage. The debate around marriage was nowhere to be found in the past two elections, yet this vote was supposed to signal a triumphant rebirth of the party? In fact, the social conservative stances the party took during the election were the most popular parts of their platform. That’s not something that should be ignored.

I understand it’s supposed to be a symbolic gesture of progress, but instead, it comes off as a symbol of political confusion. The party doesn’t know how to portray itself, so it votes on an issue that hasn’t been discussed in eight years, in hopes it will help them in 2019. It’s trying to tow the middle line between media darling and conservative philosophy, but can’t appease either side.

The Conservative Party is in serious need of new energy. They’ll tell you that their convention was a big success, and they’ll be ready to take on Trudeau, but don’t believe them. They think they’re in a better position than they really are, and if this attitude carries over to the next election, conservatism in Canada will be looking like it did in the 1990s.   

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commented 2016-06-16 20:28:32 -0400
Harper was the Best PM that Canada has had in a very LONG TIME.
commented 2016-06-16 18:28:05 -0400
You have all missed the reason Harper lost.Junior got the majority of young and first time voters.Plus all the native Americans.Most including NDP voters.It was a vote for pot.Also they let the Duffy trial go on to long.Funny the Liberal that was also in question never made the news till after the election.This all contributed to the down fall.The Conservatives have got to learn to lie like the Liberals do.Then once in power do what they want.The dumb ass voters have got a short memory.Any one with half a brain that saw the parade of Liberal PM clowns from Quebec would not vote Liberal.
Michael you have a warped impression of Conservative voters.Just because you say it dose not make it so.
Harper was the PM that Canada had IN A very LONG TIME.
commented 2016-06-14 23:33:30 -0400
Maybe you should throw your name in the hat, Mr. Gibara. I agree with everything you said and I would vote for you.
commented 2016-06-14 23:28:50 -0400
Very well said Spencer!!
commented 2016-06-11 12:41:18 -0400

I get along great with reasonable conservatives – even if we disagree. I can understand their point and they understand mine.

That’s my point – even they think the majority of extreme conservatives here are fucked in the head. You must be new here, since it seems you missed the exodus of reasonable and sensible conservatives from The Rebel, once they realized that they were surrounded by a breed of racist, bigoted, homophobic and hateful conservatives.

Is it a coincidence that they mostly all live in Alberta? Canada’s Texas.
commented 2016-06-11 01:22:33 -0400
Excellent question, but don’t expect an answer. Polemics are easier than reason.

Sorry to disappoint, but if you read my last you would see I did NOT say you thought Harper was extreme; I also did NOT say you thought Boy Blunder was the Second Coming. It’s an illustrative statement to support the notion that everyone falls along a spectrum, and where on the spectrum you fall will be determinative of what one classifies as “extreme” vs. “reasonable”. How that negates my entire argument is wishful thinking.
What you classify as extreme is not what someone else would; and the fault in your general argument is in thinking you have sole jurisdiction on the definition of an “extreme conservative”, and how The Rebel caters to “extreme” conservatives.
And you continue to add value judgements on those with whom you disagree….“dipshits” thinking Harper would win is the latest example. Tell me, are they dipshits because they were conservative, because they liked Harper, or because they disagreed with you? (Rhetorical question, no response actually required). Odd, because if, as you say, you didn’t think Harper was extreme there shouldn’t have been any real reason for vitriol against the Harper “dipshits”, they would simply be people who got it wrong.
Oh well, who knows.
Based on what I have seen so far it looks like you simply don’t like conservatives generally …“fuck rural conservatives” comes to mind, disenfranchising folks you don’t even bother to identify as “reasonable” or “extreme” simply because they are too small a demographic (and presumably, conservative. Curious to know whether you would similarly disenfranchise a visible minority group because they happen to form too small a demographic, but that’s a topic for another day.)
Anyway, many more topics have landed on the site since this one cropped up, see you again I’m sure.
commented 2016-06-10 09:11:16 -0400
I’m not looking for a dictionary definition. I’m more interested in knowing what policies would a conservative support for you to consider them extreme?
commented 2016-06-10 08:42:24 -0400
Michael how do you define extreme?
commented 2016-06-09 23:38:33 -0400

There is a clear difference between extreme conservative and reasonable conservative and there is no mistaking that difference. And no, I don’t think Harper was extreme – so that negates that your point completely.

I also never said that if The Rebel dies – so does extreme conservatism. I was just simply making the point that the extreme conservatives in Canada are such a small demographic, that they can’t even make a website that caters to them successful. If The Rebel was TV show, it would be cancelled due to the lack of viewers. But according to your idea of logic, there are enough extreme conservatives to win elections.

There have been many reasonable conservatives that have left The Rebel, because they felt Ezra’s content was extreme conservative hyperbole and fear mongering in addition to the comments by members here. But of course there are some liberals here and sensible conservatives – but too few and far between.

This back and forth is pointless ultimately because you will continue to think you are right, until you are proven wrong and that’s when I will say that I told you so and that day will come.

Just like all the dipshits here that thought for sure that Harper would win again and then they all became suicidal when their TV told them that Trudeau is the new Prime Minister. That was a great time on The Rebel – people here losing their shit that Harper lost – even though they were told repeatedly that it would be happen.

Just like everyone here that thinks Trump is going to beat Hillary. That’s not going to happen either.
commented 2016-06-09 22:51:43 -0400
Yeah, Michael’s apparent fixation on The Rebel as somehow being the font of, and medium for, “extreme” conservative thought … as defined by himself … makes it a tad bit difficult to discuss anything beyond the stereotypes he holds near and dear.

Oh well, it’s still fun.
commented 2016-06-09 22:19:38 -0400
Sorry — last line should read “….you do NOT do yourself, nor your comment, any favours”. Should have been reasonably clear given the context.
commented 2016-06-09 22:16:09 -0400
Michael —
LOL, continue to whistle past the graveyard boyo.

I do not care what you think the Conservative Party is telling me; you don’t know that at all (the word ego comes to mind), and in any event the Conservative Party does not represent the spectrum of conservatism. Like all political parties, they are whores who seek power; getting elected is key. How far did Fluffy have to encroach on NDP turf to make himself popular with far left-wing Liberals / right wing Dippers? Left wing / right wing policy aside, what campaign promises did he dangle, how much money did he propose to flash, to woo voters to the Liberal standard?. All so he could get the power; they all do it. It has less to do with policy with these parties, and way more to do with power.

Your persistence in thinking that as The Rebel goes so goes the state of “extreme” conservatism (as defined by yourself) continues to amuse. Differentiating between extreme and reasonable, in anything, depends on how far removed from the topic one is. You may think Harper was extreme, and believe Boy Blunder is the Second Coming of even-handed goodness. Well I disagree with that — so in your black and white world of “reasonable” vs. “extreme”, I would apparently fall under the latter.

And in a stunning display of stereotyping (didn’t think that was allowed in Liberal Land, have to be inclusive you know), your criteria seems to be automatically applied by you to anyone who posts positions on The Rebel, simply because it IS The Rebel. Fascinating, but unsupportable.

By adding superfluous value judgements relating to the commenter on an opinion you deem to be “extreme” you do yourself, nor your comment, any favours. Very hard to take bigotry in any form seriously.

Just sayin’.
commented 2016-06-09 14:49:12 -0400

The CPC is doing the only thing they can do to win elections. The majority of Canadians don’t care about the things that you think are important.
commented 2016-06-09 14:46:30 -0400

Oh I accept that there are fucking insane conservatives like you – compared to reasonable conservatives, who have no problem with me and I have no problem with them.

I bring up The Rebel because thankfully their “ratings” confirm that reasonable conservatives think this place represents the very small demographic of batshit crazy and moronic extreme conservative Canadians and they want nothing to do with you.
commented 2016-06-09 14:38:37 -0400

It’s simple really – the conservative demographic is so small in rural Canada, that there is no reason for the vast majority of liberals in Canada to feel threatened. It’s simple mathematics.

This is why The Conservative Party is moving more to the centre to appeal the liberals, who may be more fiscally conservative – despite being socially liberal. It’s the exact reason why the Conservative Party supports gay marriage now.

The Conservative Party are essentially telling you that a far right Conservative Party is unelectable in Canada – they know it, but you are not listening to them.

As for The Rebel – this is also about mathematics. This place would be kicking ass if it reflected the way that you talk about conservatives in Canada. The Rebel is dead for the most part, because it doesn’t represent enough Canadians to make it successful. The Rebel caters to a VERY small demographic of extreme conservatives.

And yes, there will always be conservative media and websites, but they cater to reasonable conservatives and that’s why they are successful. You need to stop putting ALL conservatives under the same umbrella. There are conservatives that have left The Rebel, because they felt this place and the people were batshit crazy.

You are simply dreaming if you think that a “Rebel” type of conservative politician will ever be Prime Minister. Center right conservative? Yes.
commented 2016-06-09 13:09:26 -0400
Insults and back and forth aside, the CPC is doing the wrong thing by taking the Romney approach and watering down their agenda to something weak and pathetic. Apologizing for Harper won’t get us anywhere. I concede that it is difficult, as the population is not very conservative. Some would have you believe it is social vs fiscal conservatives. Canada is just not very fiscal conservative either. We throw money at the UN, the CBC and other nonsense. Conservatism is much deeper than that. There are issues on our military and what engagements are important. There is Islam and refugees. Ect.
commented 2016-06-09 12:36:06 -0400
That self-important superiority attitude actually comes from an deserved inferiority complex.
commented 2016-06-09 12:34:05 -0400
Jim said to Michael, “As for how conservatism is predicated on the survival of The Rebel, you’ve lost me there. Conservatism existed prior to any website, and will continue to exist (and presumably haunt your nights) long after The Rebel has closed its doors. I’m not even sure how that topic is relevant.”

It is relevant only to the extent that Michael loves to take a dig at TheRebel and the regulars that post here because he is too immature to accept that there are people who do not hold his perverted view on life.

The left has always had this self-important superiority attitude that they form the fabric of society an all those that think differently are to be mocked.
commented 2016-06-08 23:09:38 -0400
Ah Michael, you can’t even read your own posts. You said nothing about fuck rural conservatives, you said who gives a fuck about rural Canada. Apparently as in all rural Canada.

But if in response to my point about conservatism existing in rural Canada and certain geographic areas of the country you did mean to say who gives a fuck about the conservatives in rural Canada because they are too small a demographic, you obviously must share the same sentiment for the conservatives in places like Alberta / Saskatchewan, for example (there are other regions as well); they too have small demographics compared to Central Canada, and they too continue to vote for conservative based parties.

Good to know. Because it is an acknowledgement from a sunny ways Liberal like yourself that there are portions of the country that simply do not matter to Liberals, because as a voter base they are not important enough to consider. And when Fluffy unleashes his electoral reform those very selfsame ingrained progressive prejudices you just espoused will only be reinforced by the regional / special interest nature of the new parties clamouring for Parliament.

As for how conservatism is predicated on the survival of The Rebel, you’ve lost me there. Conservatism existed prior to any website, and will continue to exist (and presumably haunt your nights) long after The Rebel has closed its doors. I’m not even sure how that topic is relevant.

Fun discussion, if sad because of your predilection to simply dismiss opposing commentary as “delusional”; but if nothing you say has sunk into my brain rest assured it is because there is nothing in your comments to warrant my further consideration, not because I am taking some metaphorical slumber.
commented 2016-06-08 22:25:15 -0400
I might have been wrong about you Michael. I didn’t see that coming in a million years.
commented 2016-06-08 22:20:33 -0400
So you and I shouldn’t be prosecuted for hate crimes for saying that Paul Wolscht is not a 6 year old girl?
commented 2016-06-08 22:18:52 -0400
Angels and ministers of mercy. There may be hope for the world yet.
commented 2016-06-08 22:17:23 -0400

No. Happy now?
commented 2016-06-08 22:12:05 -0400
Is Paul Wolscht a 6 year old girl? Yes or No.
commented 2016-06-08 22:09:48 -0400

Oh the hypocrisy. We have conservatives boo hooing on here about how The Conservative Party is trying to do anything they can to win elections and becoming less conservative. How dare they change the definition of marriage by supporting gay marriage now?
commented 2016-06-08 22:06:48 -0400
Aaaaaaand no answer as to whether Paul Wolscht a 6 year old girl?
commented 2016-06-08 22:03:55 -0400

That’s obviously a fallacy made up by conservatives, since there are tons of liberals beyond the age of 40 that are incredibly intelligent and certainly more so than you.

Even conservatives who hate Obama’s policies – still acknowledge that he is very intelligent.

Do you think you are smarter than most scientists? Do you think you are smarter than Neil De Grasse Tyson?
commented 2016-06-08 22:02:46 -0400
These people will do anything to achieve their goals. Even if it means your destruction. These Greeny weenies built a raging carbon belching diesel train line from downtown Toronto to Pearson airport to kill Porter Airlines at the Toronto Island Airport.
commented 2016-06-08 21:53:39 -0400
Is Paul Wolscht a 6 year old girl?
commented 2016-06-08 21:51:13 -0400
Just answer the question man.