January 26, 2018

The Ontario PC Party needs to be conservative to survive

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

UPDATE: The Ontario PC Party executive has decided to conduct a leadership race before the general election. The party will announce the new leader on March 9. 


In the wake of Patrick Brown's resignation, Nipissing MPP Vic Fedeli has been named as the interim leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party.

He's announced that he's prepared to "step forward for any leadership position caucus or the Party asks."

The Ontario PC Party executive will now determine the extent of Fedeli's role. There are two choices that will dictate Fedeli's future: Conducting a leadership race before the general election, or after.

But no matter what happens, the Ontario PC Party must not run on the "Liberal-lite" platform of Patrick Brown.

In order to have any success in the next election, the PC Party must provide some sort of fiscally responsible policy, even if it's just joining federal Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer in opposing the Liberal carbon tax scheme.

Something as minor as opposition to a carbon tax could be enough to motivate the base and prevent the loss of any further ground to the Trillium Party, who have been steadily converting PC Party members.

Brown's "People's Guarantee" platform was gimmicky, and lacked conservative policies. Many "true blue" conservatives were growing disillusioned with Brown and the PC Party well before those sexual misconduct allegations were made public this week.

It was Brown's lack of support from the party base that stuck a nail in his political coffin. Conservative politicians like Donald Trump and Rob Ford were able to survive similar damaging allegations because their voters believed in their policy plan. Torontonians wanted to see an end to the "gravy train" at city hall, and blue-collar Americans wanted to see their jobs return from overseas. Those policies were enough to help Trump and Ford through their difficulties.

In contrast, Brown was counting on Ontarians being so fed up with the corrupt and dishonest Liberals that voters would just sweep him into office, regardless of his policies.

Now the Ontario PC Party is tainted. The only way to stop the bleeding is to motivate the base.

Whoever is leading the party come June must abandon Patrick Brown's weak platform and embrace a true conservative agenda.

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commented 2018-01-28 23:15:58 -0500
Al Peterson,

Is center right not conservative when compared to center left?

Kevin O’ Leary wanted to be Conservative Leader, but by his own admission – he is fiscally conservative, but socially liberal. Does he not qualify as a Conservative for his fiscally conservative views that are the opposite of fiscally liberal views?

The problem is that you are confusing conservative with extreme right/alt right/far right and there is a vast difference. Harper was not a Rebel conservative, but he was definitively conservative and represented the party as such.
commented 2018-01-28 23:06:09 -0500
AQND NOW, JAMES CROCKETT, BACK TOTHE ORIGINAL QUESTION:
If this is true (which it isn’t) why have a conservative party that isn’t conservative. Why not fold up the old tent and jin the Libs or NDP? Isn’t the point of a political party to hold to your core beliefs and to convince other people to join you?

Of course taking political advice from a smooth talking leftist is like taking arsenic one drop at at time because they really do care about you.
commented 2018-01-28 21:38:04 -0500
Sam Hill,

There are not a whole lot of Ontario cons anyway. At least not The Rebel kind, but center right.
commented 2018-01-28 20:56:17 -0500
I know a lot of Ontario cons who were not going to vote because of that a-hole Brown. Maybe now they will put someone up for leader that they can vote for.
commented 2018-01-28 14:27:01 -0500
Andrew Stephenson,

You are absolutely right, but unfortunately you are wasting your time with Tammie.

She thinks because she sees a bunch of Trudeau hate tweets or YouTube videos, that all of Canada is speaking. It’s a vast minority that is simply the loudest or as you said – the most obnoxious, but that doesn’t remotely represent a large portion of Canadians.

She will never understand this.
commented 2018-01-28 14:01:16 -0500
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-01-28 01:02:16 -0500
Hey troll, have a look at what Canadians are sending the PM via Twitter, he deserves to be skewered!
”https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/957253060996182017">https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/957253060996182017"

I enjoy the like counts. His original post got well over 11,000 likes. The “skewering” by the squeaky wheels … I think the highest one I see there is 83 likes. Those half dozen keyboard warriors seem not to represent a very popular set of opinions.

You seem to confuse obnoxiousness with popularity. One person can be nasty, but they’re just one person… and that one person has probably been nasty from the beginning. It’s like the Rebel’s comment section – yes, he’s despised around here… but there are what, a couple dozen active posters on here?

The “silent majority” is such a cliche, but they’re the ones deciding elections.
commented 2018-01-28 13:11:22 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt,

How wonderful – extreme conservative morons are enjoying Twitter. See – social media isn’t censoring these people.
commented 2018-01-28 02:46:39 -0500
liza rosie,

Yes, extreme right Canadians like you know how to use Twitter.

I am sure Trudeau is completely worried now that he won’t be re-elected.
commented 2018-01-28 02:30:10 -0500
re: Justin’s twitter feed. Good to see Canadians speaking their mind.
commented 2018-01-28 02:24:02 -0500
That’s funny I was just going to suggest Crockett look at Justin’s twitter page if he wants to really know what Canadians think of the PM. Darn good reading.
Not exactly the beloved guy troll keeps talking him up to be.
commented 2018-01-28 02:00:03 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt,

Yes, extreme right Canadians like you know how to use Twitter.

Want a cookie?
commented 2018-01-27 22:22:43 -0500
Needle is stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
I never said Trump or Kellie Leitch would win here. I think you need to recognize your authoritarian leftist posts deserve to be challenged, ridiculed even….when it comes to stupid, you really should do some self-reflection.
commented 2018-01-27 20:45:12 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt,

Well if you and others like you here stopped saying stupid things and realize the difference between Canada and America, then both Andrew and I wouldn’t have to repeat ourselves.

Trump wouldn’t win here – get that through your skull, so there is no reason to look at him for inspiration when it comes to Canadian elections. Kellie Leitch learned that the hard way.
commented 2018-01-27 19:08:57 -0500
Oh boy, trotting out “too stupid to realize” “many of you would be better off moving to America….”
Ask your DJ to do something…your needle is stuck!
commented 2018-01-27 18:52:19 -0500
liza rosie,

Well conservatives here anyway are too stupid to realize what it will take to win elections and think Trump winning in American, means that the same thing can happen in a completely different country like Canada, which leans much more liberal.

Seriously – many of you would be better off to move to America, since you seem confused about the differences between Canada and America.
commented 2018-01-27 18:25:14 -0500
James and Andrew are too funny. Yeah, Liberals schooling Conservatives on what their party should look like.
commented 2018-01-27 15:40:27 -0500
I coudnt agree more.The party must get back to its conservative roots.
commented 2018-01-27 14:37:23 -0500
Apparently Al doesn’t know the difference between center right and center left – thus requiring parties that represent both of those sides.
commented 2018-01-27 14:29:22 -0500
Al Peterson,

You don’t live in America. You live in Canada. Trump wouldn’t have a chance here if he was Canadian. Kellie Leitch learned that the hard way.

It’s amazing that you conservative morons look to Donald Trump as having anything to do with how things are in CANADA. Trump winning in America – means fuck all to a similar candidate winning in CANADA.

Do you know where you are? Do you understand the country you live in? Are you aware that Canadians HATE Trump?

You are fucking clueless.
commented 2018-01-27 13:39:13 -0500
Why not have one? Successful conservative parties have long been centre-right, not hard right, and changing political attitudes demand the parties change with it to stay relevant. In reality the system needs several parties, since staying in power too long leads to laziness, complacency, and more often than not, open corruption.

Not supporting a specific policy, particularly policies no longer particularly relevant, doesn’t make them non-conservative. And, isn’t the core point of a political party to serve its citizens overall, meaning that if society’s core beliefs drift leftward, that the parties serving them should as well?

The arguments I see here are mostly about opposing sex ed, and the carbon tax which is actually a general opposition to climate change (you’ll find very few conservatives that deny climate change now, just that they don’t like the tax. I hold up, as example, that Brad Wall ad that’s you’ve inevitably heard if you listened to the radio in Regina for more than ten minutes in the last three months – where he hates Trudeau’s tax, but it’s OK since he’s got his own Made in Sask. climate change plan). Conversely, the sex ed thing isn’t going away either, since most of the arguments against it are made against supposed curriculum points that don’t actually exist. Without that, what do you have? Occasionally you see “traditional values” types bubbling up, but that’s pretty much a dead end as well, since relatively few people actuallyl want to see re-imposition of Christian norms as official policy, even were it possible.

Without the social aspects, you have basic economic conservatism… which is very much still on offer by modern parties.
commented 2018-01-27 12:44:14 -0500
ANDREW STEPHENSON
In Ontario the PCs need to win in suburban Toronto, which are very immigrant rich, so playing to aging white boomers with vague xenophobia and “traditional values” which those needed voters have no interest in, simply won’t work.
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If this is true (which it isn’t) why have a conservative party that isn’t conservative. Why not fold up the old tent and jin the Libs or NDP? Isn’t the point of a political party to hold to your core beliefs and to convince other people to join you?

Of course taking political advice from a smooth talking leftist is like taking arsenic one drop at at time because they really do care about you.
commented 2018-01-27 12:12:30 -0500
They go “Liberal Lite” because that’s what politically sells – that’s what represents a reasonably big-tent right wing at present. You could go further right, but you’ll find yourself losing the mushy middle votes, in favour of playing to the far-right base that would have voted for you anyway had you remained centrist. In Ontario the PCs need to win in suburban Toronto, which are very immigrant rich, so playing to aging white boomers with vague xenophobia and “traditional values” which those needed voters have no interest in, simply won’t work. Even supposed right wing successes, like Trump, aren’t actually particularly right wing – his protectionist message is populist, not conservative; it’s more conservative to support free movement of capital, goods, and labour across national borders.

“Deborah Graupner commented 2018-01-26 21:18:15 -0500
Patrick Brown sounded like he was close to tears! I believe you’re innocent until proven guilty, and it seems like accusations of sexual misconduct is the latest craze. If true, why did those accusing him wait so long? And approaching the media rather than pressing charges seems pretty underhanded”

If the rumour mill is to be believed, reasonably verifiable cases only became known fairly recently, and they (PCPO) needed some time to verify. The court of popular opinion’s far faster and would give them the longest to regroup. The PCs may also have found out that the Libs also knew and were sitting on it until closer to the election – if Wynne dropped it in May as they apparently intended to, it would not have been recoverable. Whereas now, they have some chance. Not a huge one, mind you, but it’s not a total lost cause.
commented 2018-01-27 11:53:20 -0500
JAMES CROCKETT commented 2018-01-26 20:03:52 -0500
Al Peterson,

You don’t have to be God to see that outcome well in advance.

Even the conservative Toronto Sun said that Ford has no chance – he is simply not his brother.
________________________________________________________________________________Yeah, I remember hearing that for year about Trump as well. But I’m glad you are fitting so well into the shoes of divinity.
commented 2018-01-27 11:51:43 -0500
JAMES CROCKETT commented 2018-01-26 20:02:07 -0500
Al Peterson,

Well then good luck at a hard core conservative winning in Ontario or Canada for that matter. They would be doing liberals a favor.
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Hey, James, no-one said that Canadians aren’t brainwashed sheep. But I have no plan to jump off that leftist cliff just because other people are. What a goofy argument- “Everyone else is doing it so you should too or you won’t be one of the cool kids like me.”
commented 2018-01-27 11:25:01 -0500
- An end to the rape of Ontario by the so called green energy industry
- A spirited opposition to both provincial and federal carbon tax schemes.
- A ‘Trumpesque’ cutting of red tape to encourage the return of industry to Ontario
- A guarantee that Ontario will treat her senior citizens at least as well as she now treats religious refugees.
- An immediate cancellation of all the confiscatory contracts that have been signed with the so called ‘green energy’ providers that have all but bankrupted the citizens of Ontario.
- An immediate 10% reduction of all government expenditures.
- The immediate closing of the hugely wasteful LHIN bureaucracy that has eaten up hundreds of millions of ‘health dollars’ that could have been used to improve front line health care in Ontario.

These would be a good starting point for the return of the Conservative party to power. More Liberal-lite will only guarantee the return of Wynne and her lock step political criminals to power. We need less Brown and more ‘Harris’ now. Anything less will spell yet another four years of Liberal hegemony.
commented 2018-01-27 09:55:29 -0500
By a strange coincidence a PC fund raiser called me the day before Brown resigned. I told them he wasn’t getting another dime from me as long as he was for a carbon tax. Lets see what happens next. If we get someone with a real conservative backbone in place I might start donating to the party again. Until then they can forget about me supporting them and, I suspect, a lot of other unhappy conservatives as well.
commented 2018-01-27 09:53:41 -0500
By a strange coincidence a PC fund raiser called me the day before Brown resigned. I told them he wasn’t getting another dime from me as long as he was for a carbon tax. Lets see what happens next. If we get someone with a real conservative backbone in place I might start donating to the party again. Until then they can forget about me supporting them and, I suspect, a lot of other unhappy conservatives as well.