January 25, 2018

Ontario PC Party would be wrong to hold a leadership race right now

Eitan GilboordGuest Post

The Ontario PC Party is without a leader after the abrupt resignation of Patrick Brown late last night amid allegations of sexual misconduct with two different women.

Brown denies the allegations, but many party members say his alleged mistreatment of women was an open secret.

But Brown’s sexual misconduct was not his only problem. He also had broken many of the conservative promises he made when running for the leadership of the Ontario PC Party. Brown had campaigned as a fiscally responsible and even socially conservative candidate, and he had governed as the complete opposite. Brown flip-flopped when he endorsed the implementation of a carbon tax; he shocked party members with his support for the controversial federal motion M103, and he upset many with his disregard for other grassroots policies.

Brown’s tenure was also plagued with allegations of corruption. Many riding associations were furious with their local candidate nominations. Police and lawyers have been involved in multiple investigations surrounding nominations, causing many members of their respective associations to support Brown’s resignation for those reasons alone.

The Ontario PC Party needs to move on from Brown, and quickly. But a leadership election might not be the best solution.

Under the Ontario PC Party constitution, a leadership election is conducted through the “one member, one vote” mantra. The logistics for executing that process are considerable and would be difficult and costly to implement in such a small time frame. Especially when current party president Rick Dykstra has faced similar allegations as Brown, and could be the next person to be forced out. That would cause 1st Vice President, Jag Badwal to be the new party president.

And holding a leadership campaign could allow the mainstream media to continue to focus on Brown, rather than move on.

Alternatively, the caucus could appoint a new interim leader and ratify that person as the actual leader. Although caucus can appoint anyone to the interim position, it is most likely that they would appoint a fellow caucus MPP. Nipissing MPP, Vic Fedeli could be a front-runner for such a position.

With the Ontario provincial election looming, the Ontario PC Party needs to act fast if they want a shot at winning.

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commented 2018-02-01 11:32:21 -0500
Liza, the problem with “common knowledge” is that it’s often wrong.

Regarding your links … I’d like to ask if you think those sites, particularly the first two, (and I say this, for example, with their coverage of Trump in mind) represent an objective source, or whether they may have an agenda that might interfere with objectivity? But … I’ll also say, that someone saying something potentially hostile in 1991, doesn’t necessarily translate to the end of Western civilization. Your third link, the one which pertains to Canada, attributes “thousands” of subscribers to the Muslim Brotherhood, with no indication of how they arrived at that number. It appears that number may simply be attendees at mosques that are vaguely affiliated with the Brotherhood in some way, no matter how tenuous, without asking whether the connection is real or not. I am skeptical, it appears to be vague guilt-by-association speculation with no attempt at verification. By the same logic I could argue that all Catholics must be pedos because of what a few priests did, and that would be every bit as much bullshit as those sites.

That being said, yes, it is important to keep an eye on such organizations, but it’s also important not to get carried away. I somehow doubt that those “thousands” actually all want to take over North America, or if they’re merely attending a mosque which, since many listed affilated ones are in small towns, may be their only religious option.

I’d perhaps buy it more if there were some attempt at verification beyond guilt by association, and were it to appear somewhere other than far-right tabloids with axes to grind (or guns to raffle, as it were). As it stands now, your evidence appears to be a retroactive attempt at confirming presuppositions – which is to say, you went in supposing the answer and sought evidence to support it, and didn’t actually find much.

“What IS Canada? What specific aspect is being lost?”
It will all be lost. The country won’t be ours anymore. Look at any example in Europe, take your pick. Heck, look at Peel county in Ontario or Michigan which is a Muslim majority city in the U.S.. If Justin has his way we won’t even have equal rights in our own country"

That didn’t answer my question. What’s being lost? “Europe” is pretty vague. And, yes, they have a few rough parts, but that’s always been the case. Most of the “evidence” suggesting it’s collapsing is cherry picked. Sweden changes its definition of sexual assault, which increases rates dramatically due to changes in reporting, and it’s blamed on Muslims. What city in Michigan? Islam is the fourth most common religion in Peel Region, about 9%. Fifth in Brampton. Most "brown’ people aren’t Muslim – the Sihks and Hindus both outnumber them.

Your “right” to damage minority communities through unfair stereotypes never existed. It’s been specifcally called out now, but religion based prejudice was never legal.
commented 2018-01-29 23:29:01 -0500
The immigration lie is actually pretty common knowledge Andrew investigate or don’t. I don’t expect to convince you.

For anyone who is interested
https://www.israelvideonetwork.com/brigitte-gabriel-just-revealed-the-muslim-plan-for-the-destruction-of-america/
Brigitte Gabriel just revealed the Muslim plan for the destruction of America

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/muslim-brotherhood-plan-destruction-takeover-america/
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD PLAN FOR THE DESTRUCTION & TAKEOVER OF AMERICA

http://mackenzieinstitute.com/muslim-brotherhood-canada-civilization-jihad-2/
The Muslim Brotherhood in Canada: Civilization Jihad

“The process of settlement is a ‘Civilization-Jihadist Process’ with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers…”

“[W]e must possess a mastery of the art of ‘coalitions’, the art of ‘absorption’ and the principles of ‘cooperation.’” Of course not all Muslim’s, yet. If you have not spoken to apostates your experience is not well rounded to say the least. If you don’t know of any there are several on youtube.

“What IS Canada? What specific aspect is being lost?”
It will all be lost. The country won’t be ours anymore. Look at any example in Europe, take your pick. Heck, look at Peel county in Ontario or Michigan which is a Muslim majority city in the U.S.. If Justin has his way we won’t even have equal rights in our own country. God knows he is working on it. By the way Andrew, many second generation Muslims are posing more problems than many of the parents who brought them here. They are dissatisfied, and disconnected and hate the west. I know we are not talking about your friends, because of course, not all Muslim’s yet.

Done here.
commented 2018-01-29 21:11:47 -0500
““What expert is that?”, Andrew do your own homework and try to find source information which counters your preconceived opinions. The info is out there.”

It’s not my job to make your arguments for you. If you’re going to make a point, the least you can do is provide the evidence backing it up… if such existed, it would be close at hand and easily shared. That you don’t makes me skeptical.

“They don’t want to share, they want to take. Any cost to any non Muslim or their country is of no concern. It is a fact all over the world, and has been shown repeatedly for centuries. It is no different now. Islam is no different now. "
Most Canadian Muslims tend to be quite liberal, particularly the second generation ones. My personal experiences – I am friends with quite a few – lends little to concern. Frankly, I’m more concered about the evangelicals, who are far more numerous and every bit as intent on meddling in your life, if not moreso.

“Regarding immigration, at what price? Japan will still be Japan in twenty years, that matters to the people of Japan.. Canada won’t be Canada in twenty years. "

What IS Canada? What specific aspect is being lost?
commented 2018-01-29 19:04:22 -0500
Andrew,
https://www.therebel.media/the_ontario_pc_party_would_be_wrong_to_hold_a_leadership_right_now
Radical ISLAM-HITLER Alliance = ☠ ☪ 卐

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy3aDIatrY0
Nazi Collaborators The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el Husseini

or read: https://counterjihadreport.com/category/islams-nazi-alliance/

Looks like Canada is becoming as ‘free’ as China, I guess Justin wasn’t kidding.
https://www.cecc.gov/freedom-of-expression-in-china-a-privilege-not-a-right
Freedom of Expression in China: A Privilege, Not a Right

“What expert is that?”, Andrew do your own homework and try to find source information which counters your preconceived opinions. The info is out there.

Regarding immigration, at what price? Japan will still be Japan in twenty years, that matters to the people of Japan.. Canada won’t be Canada in twenty years.

Canadians are not adverse to reasonable multiculturalism which is what we have had until this introduction of Islam on a large scale. You keep insisting on bringing skin colour into this, it is not about skin colour or we would be talking about Sikhs, Hindu, Filipino,etc. I am talking about Islam, on a large scale.
Islam as long as it ALWAYS stays on a small scale would be tolerable, maybe. But anyone who has done any study of the ideology knows that the numbers game is big with Islam and when they have the numbers, they literally take over, it is not coincidence it is the plan, it is what Islam does, and has always done.. They don’t want to share, they want to take. Any cost to any non Muslim or their country is of no concern. It is a fact all over the world, and has been shown repeatedly for centuries. It is no different now. Islam is no different now.

Andrew I highly recommend you start doing some serious study of Islam. Start with Muhammad’s abrogated verses, and the Hadith’s and Sunnah. Ask an apostate why there is no moderate Islam in our lifetime. Also the Muslim Brotherhood is key, read their plan for North America, it is easily found , and it unabashedly outlines the steps being taken today as we speak to take over North America. Do that and come back and tell me if it is wise of Canada to close the garden gate or keep it open.

Here is a good vid on Japan for a different perspective Andrew.
In Canada Muslim migrants with no skills and no English are not going to help pay for anything in this country. They are going to be a suck on it and they already are to the tune of billions a year. If the economy was the issue we would be bringing in people who have English, have skills and can get along in a western country with out never ending demands because of the culture clash.

This is not about the economy. That is the lie the government feeds us. This is about a deal with the devil for the benefit of those elites who are supposed to be serving us. If you can’t wrap your head around that I can’t help you, but you should try, because its going to get ugly from here on in.

I don’t close my garden gate to my brown neighbour, a Fijian apostate, he is welcome in my yard any day and he wants Canada to close the garden gate as much as I do.
commented 2018-01-29 10:26:51 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-01-28 21:49:12 -0500
Socialism is a part of the spectrum, I understand that they are all different, but the things they have in common make them all of one family. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism. Marx was a huge socialist, the father of communism, he wrote the The Communist Manifesto. Socialism is supposed to be all animals are equal but there always end up being elites, and where ever there are elites there are totalitarian regimes. Fascism is pretty totalitarian. "
That’s a bit of a deductive leap, don’t you think? I don’t see any evidence that totalitarianism is an inevitable consequence of socialism. Most of the examples you’re likely considering, were set up as totalitarian states from day 1, and merely used socialistic mechanisms to retain control. Meanwhile, other single party states (de facto dictatorships) like China, actually have very free, capitalistic markets these days, arguably moreso than oligarchic pseudodemocracies like the US. .

“Hitler was happy to align with Islam and Islam was happy to align with the Nazis” The same could be said of white Germans. Muslims had very little to do with the Holocaust, they were not part of the so-called “master race”.
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“Immigration experts agree that this mass migration is not a good idea on any level. Our governments and particularly this one, has chosen to ignore any factual data, information or expert advice.”

Which expert is that? The government very much listens to the experts, who are primarily economists aware of what happened to Japan and need to avert some pretty severe demographic issues – as in there’s no fking way we have any economic viability at all if all our output is going to pay for retiree’s social benefits (how much is made of participation rates? That’s demographic, not economic). The social impacts are a bit controversial… but people have been arguing that the current batch of immigrants is “culturally incompatible” (or some such intent) with existing Canadians since before Canada was a country. It has yet to prove true.

I’m not going to lock my gate because the neighbours have dark skin.
commented 2018-01-28 22:54:56 -0500
Liza,

If Alberta leaves Canada, there won’t be much of a divide at all in Canada.
commented 2018-01-28 22:53:20 -0500
liza rosie,

Do you get usage out of universal healthcare in Canada?
commented 2018-01-28 21:52:22 -0500
Crockett I have lived in every province in this country, I have lived in almost all of the Capitols. I have lived in Europe, and I have travelled in the States. It wasn’t exactly a ‘sheltered’ life.
commented 2018-01-28 21:49:12 -0500
You guys, surprise, surprise we look at things differently. There is a big divide in this country there is no doubt of that.

Socialism is a part of the spectrum, I understand that they are all different, but the things they have in common make them all of one family. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism. Marx was a huge socialist, the father of communism, he wrote the The Communist Manifesto. Socialism is supposed to be all animals are equal but there always end up being elites, and where ever there are elites there are totalitarian regimes. Fascism is pretty totalitarian.

Hitler was happy to align with Islam and Islam was happy to align with the Nazis. Their common goal was to exterminate Jews. They hated each other but worked well together until Hitler no longer needed them , then he started killing them too.
You said, “Hitler thought Jews were the source of all society’s woes.”
So does Islam.

I don’t know what the Alt Right is, but in Canada we have people who don’t have the good sense to close their garden gate and those who understand the necessity.

Immigration experts agree that this mass migration is not a good idea on any level. Our governments and particularly this one, has chosen to ignore any factual data, information or expert advice. If they had, they wouldn’t be doing this. We have been fed a basket full of lies about the benefits, and why they think it necessary to increase our population this way.
There is one main reason they are doing it, votes. The rest is a crock. I don’t have anything against any people, but experience in many countries tells us that bringing in masses of people from incompatible cultures is a big mistake, and we might want to think twice before we go further down this rabbit hole.

Canada changed for the better? Not in my opinion, and I am not alone.
commented 2018-01-28 20:31:22 -0500
Liza,

Yes, Canada has changed from the 70’s and 80’s in that racist and bigoted Canadians now have the internet and social media to voice their disgust over Canada being proud of it’s diversity and multiculturalism.

Horrible Canadians like you didn’t have that outlet before in the 70’s and 80’s. Also without the internet, you were able to remain sheltered in your little world unaware of what was going on in the rest of Canada.

Ironically even with the internet now, you are even more out of touch with Canadians. I guess that’s what happens when you stay in your safe place both online and offline.
commented 2018-01-28 19:36:44 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-01-28 14:36:18 -0500
Crockett, the plant needed to be retrofitted and the company thought that a prudent time to leave Ontario’s restrictive economic environment and relocate to the States where, taxxes were lower there were fewer regulations and hydro was about 1/4 of the price. Sound business practice to be sure, but bad for the 380 Ontario workers who were left with no job because of Kathleen Wynne’s neo marxist system of economics. Well done Ontario. "

“Relocating production” is a misnomer – soup sales are declining (4% last year alone, but it’s been declining since 2009 apparently) and there’s a lot of slack capacity in their supply chain.

No, a “state of the art facility” was never going to happen. For one thing, the company doesn’t have the money for it, and for another, if nobody’s buying your product, there’s no point in investing particularly when they already own more productive plants, that are part-idled by declining demand.

“Has the face of our country changed since the 70’s and 80’s? Yeah, I would say so. In fact I don’t know anyone who would say it hasn’t changed significantly. " For the worse, though? At least it’s safe to be brown or gay in modern Canada.
commented 2018-01-28 19:26:22 -0500
liza rosie commented 2018-01-28 14:31:37 -0500
Andrew you fool no one, Socialism is the precursor to fascism and or communism driven genocide. The only thing socialism is missing is the gun. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory. The ideology is all there .

Andrew says in part , “I’ll point out that modern genocides generally don’t happen in socialist countries”

Bullshit, Nazis were socialists. Islam is socialist theocracy, China, the South African government is socialist etc. "

So, basically, your definition of “socialism” is anything that leads to fascism, even though many of your examples have no other commonalities to them, and certainly none of the economic hallmarks that actually define socialism.. I find it amusing, in particular, that you call Iraq “socialist” despite the fact that they barely have a government at all, let alone a socialist one.

Socialism is an economic system. Hitler was a genocidal lunatic. He may have been a proponent of socialism, but it was never really implemented and ultimately the problem was that he was a genocidal lunatic, not that he was a ‘socialist’. Interestingly enough, nowadays the loudest calls for marginalization of minority groups that underlies genocides seem to be arising from the Right. Hitler thought Jews were the source of all society’s woes. Today, the alt-right is doing the same for Muslims.
commented 2018-01-28 18:24:49 -0500
Vic is already trying to block a leadership race. Bad sign.
commented 2018-01-28 18:22:39 -0500
I hear the Toronto Star is laying off over 300 people. It can’t compete with the new media. I guess they will need Justin’s bail out to to stay afloat.
Man, the only people working in Ontario will be public sector workers. It is almost that way now. If Ontario could see a strong conservative government they could turn that province around in no time flat. That prospect seems unlikely.
commented 2018-01-28 18:18:47 -0500
If my kids remember the 80’s what do you think? I remember the first time P.E.T. was PM. He came to our town in Southern Ontario. I was with my father and Pierre shook my hand.

He was laying the ground work then, but nothing had changed dramatically at that point. Not so a kid growing up was affected or would notice. My kids were kids in the 80’s, things were becoming evident at that time but it was still a slow change. It was the late 90’s before immigration really started to pick up, because of the numbers but also because of where people were being brought in from. That is also the time when the public school sexualization of children began to rear its ugly head. The neo Marxism/post modernism Trudeau paved the way for, would have blown up in Canada as soon as Obama got in, but Harper slowed that poison down and kept Canada more or less Canada. Having given Harper that credit I do have to say he was misguided when it came to where immigration was coming from. He did keep it a civilized flow and not the flooding we see now, but it was still too many from the wrong places. Harper at least tried to vet and bring in Christians and Yazidis. What Justin’s father started, and with Obama’s headway, when Justin got in, the whole thing blew up in our faces. The numbers of migrants from incompatible cultures skyrocketed, in fact it is all we see now.

Has the face of our country changed since the 70’s and 80’s? Yeah, I would say so. In fact I don’t know anyone who would say it hasn’t changed significantly.
commented 2018-01-28 15:33:21 -0500
liza rosie,

It’s not my picture of Canada – it’s what Canada has been for the last 40 years. You don’t even understand the country you live in.

Seriously, were you alive when Pierre Trudeau was PM?
commented 2018-01-28 15:22:02 -0500
To call people who disagree with your picture of Canada’s future racist, is to demean the true meaning of the word, It now has no power. Good job.
commented 2018-01-28 15:19:55 -0500
“The plant was old as fuck” says Crockett. Yes, and if Wynne’s economic environment had been as welcoming as Trumps, they would have stayed and created a new state of the art facility HERE!
commented 2018-01-28 14:46:13 -0500
liza rosie,

No, you are just a bigoted, ignorant and racist woman from Alberta that never liked the fact that was Canada was diverse and proud of being multicultural. You hated it then and you hate in now – both with father and son Trudeau.

You raised some kids to be as bigoted, ignorant and racist as you – congrats.
commented 2018-01-28 14:41:41 -0500
liza rosie,

Wrong. The plant itself was no longer worth using and no longer met their requirements. It would cost a fortune to upgrade it and that wouldn’t be any different even if the Ontario government let them slide on taxes completely. The plant was old as fuck – they need a state of the art modern facility – what is so hard to understand here?
commented 2018-01-28 14:38:39 -0500
“By the way Liza, Canada isn’t much different now than it was in the 70’s and 80’s”
I guess when you live under a rock you don’t see much of the real culture. This country bears so little resemblance to the 70’s and 80’s my kids can even see and feel the difference.
Crawl back under that rock Crockett, do it now.
commented 2018-01-28 14:38:23 -0500
Liza,

What the fuck do you think the universal health care is that you enjoy and had all your life?

Would you rather pay thousands of dollars for insurance like in America and get a bill every single time you go see your family doctor? Would you prefer to go bankrupt like many Americans do, because they can’t afford their medical bills. Is that the Canada you crave?
commented 2018-01-28 14:36:18 -0500
Crockett, the plant needed to be retrofitted and the company thought that a prudent time to leave Ontario’s restrictive economic environment and relocate to the States where, taxxes were lower there were fewer regulations and hydro was about 1/4 of the price. Sound business practice to be sure, but bad for the 380 Ontario workers who were left with no job because of Kathleen Wynne’s neo marxist system of economics. Well done Ontario.
commented 2018-01-28 14:34:51 -0500
By the way Liza, Canada isn’t much different now than it was in the 70’s and 80’s – we were proud of our diversity and multiculturalism then as we are now. You seem to be longing for a Canada that you weren’t even alive in. So you are actually the traitor and want Canada to be something that it’s not.

Were you even alive when Pierre Trudeau was PM?
commented 2018-01-28 14:31:37 -0500
Andrew you fool no one, Socialism is the precursor to fascism and or communism driven genocide. The only thing socialism is missing is the gun. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory. The ideology is all there .

Andrew says in part , “I’ll point out that modern genocides generally don’t happen in socialist countries”

Bullshit, Nazis were socialists. Islam is socialist theocracy, China, the South African government is socialist etc.

LEFT- Rights violating ideologies and systems use tyranny and extreme force when left to their own devices. They have to because eventually people don’t want to cooperate and need to be forced.
Communism, Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Anarchy, Totalitarian theocracy etc. Pick your poison, socialism will get you there eventually unless it is stopped which it always is eventually, however not with out mass death and destruction happening first. . It is well documented as you know.
commented 2018-01-28 14:31:22 -0500
Crockett shut up you lying piece of dog vomit. Don’t waste my time. I’m not here to convince you of anything. The truth speaks for itself.
commented 2018-01-28 14:10:31 -0500
liza rosie,

It means this you fucking dumbass:

Campbell says several factors have resulted in excess capacity in its North American (not Ontario or even completely Canada) supply chain network, and that due to its SIZE and AGE the Toronto plant cannot be retrofitted in a way that is competitively viable.

It’s not worth it to continue with the Toronto plant – no matter who is in power. Do you not understand the concept that some things are not worth repairing or upgrading, when it’s far less cheaper to get something new or something already built that meets specifications required.

You are a liar, who spews the extreme right agenda that you are fed – because you are a very stupid woman.
commented 2018-01-28 13:48:02 -0500
James Crockett says this and thinks it is a defence, "The company says the Toronto closure is necessary to improve its operational efficiency, "

What the hell do you think that means assbutt?
You are the liar. I can’t understand for the life of me why you support the demise of Ontario and the country as a whole. What is in it for you? You are a despicable human being in my opinion, as morally bankrupt as Wynne and Trudeau. Sick and twisted poisoned minds and hearts. Turncoats and traitors, so bent on taking everything down you don’t even care if you go down as well, you’ll enjoy the ride out. Disgusting, emotionally dysfunctional mutants.
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