June 05, 2018

The Rebel Live 2018: Raheel Raza on “where to find solutions” to Islamic radicalism

Raheel RazaGuest Post


At The Rebel Live 2018, Raheel Raza, president of Canada's Muslims Facing Tomorrow, started her presentation by pointing out that we all know about the "the virus" of radical Islam, but what we now need to determine is: What can be done about it?

She advises against "lashing out at Muslims as a whole," or engaging in stunts like tearing up the Koran.

"We are fighting the same battle," said Raza, to applause, adding that given the current climate of censorship, "The time will come when even my voice will be shut down."

NOTE: We'd planned to broadcast the livestream in real time for Premium Subscribers, but unfortunately, technical problems at the venue prevented that. However, Premium Members can watch the entire event starting today, in segments like this one.

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commented 2018-06-06 13:03:40 -0400
Close the borders/fix immigration.
Deport trouble.
Integrate those who are willing, wasting no time on those who don’t.
You can no more force a Muslim to integrate than you can force people concerned about Islam to trust.
commented 2018-06-06 12:53:56 -0400
Islamification/Islamization?
commented 2018-06-06 12:53:00 -0400
I like Tawhidi same as I like any moderate/reformist. Nice try,(Tawhidi) but it doesn’t mean anything to the west in this century. It won’t help us in time, and time is of the essence for the west. Saving the west from Izlamification is my priority. If I thought directing all efforts on the moderates would make a difference now, I would be all over it. I don’t.
commented 2018-06-06 11:35:09 -0400
Liza, I saw that interview you mentioned, I’m not sure where the Imam got the info from either. He consistently posts very interesting messages on Twitter, calling out Islamofascism and the Western governments who overlook it. I also like his sense of humour.
He lived in Ottawa before moving to Australia.
commented 2018-06-06 09:44:44 -0400
Ron, Tarek thinks we shouldn’t talk about the pedophilia,and other deviations in Islam as it gives apologists and Muslims playing the victim card, fodder. He thinks that is why we got M103. To me not speaking truthfully about Mohammad or any thing else in Islam which affects western countries, is subjugation. In the west we are supposed to be able to discuss things good and bad, what they mean for society and why they are good and bad. I don’t see how we defend ourselves by being more ‘polite’ about pedophilia, homosexuality, FMG or any other aspect the culture (which is a result of the religion part of Islam). How does that do anything but put us in our place, in our own country of Christian European heritage, so Islam can gain the foothold here as it plans to? There are some things I agree with from both Tarek and Raheel, but with regards to how we should be conducting ourselves or handling things, not so much.
commented 2018-06-06 09:26:25 -0400
Yes, that is crazy Tammie, Mohammad Tawhidi, has an interesting version of Mohammad’s child bride I had never heard before. He thinks that was a lie so people would believe Aisha was a virgin when according to Tawhidi she was not. He also said she was in her 20’s. I don’t know where he gets that from but he mentioned it in an interview with Tommy.
I am not surprised he was banned, I guess its pretty clear which Muslims are running things on the planet these days and its not the ‘reformers’.
commented 2018-06-06 09:19:00 -0400
Allen don’t forget that in the beginning before Mohammad took his few followers from Mecca to Medina, he was saying fairly tolerant things. It still seems totalitarian to me but it wasn’t the ticked off verses Mohammad had his scribes pen, which abrogated most of the tolerant verses. So ‘restoring’ the ‘peaceful’ verses of the Medinan times, would be a reformation of Islam according to your definition.
Unfortunately a very significant number regardless of what the percentile is, of the Muslim population, are quite driven by the abrogated verses, not the tolerant ones, and I don’t think western civilization can wait long enough for things to change internally.

Ron, that is interesting. What does Tarek say that that you agree with compared to what Raheel says.
commented 2018-06-06 01:33:27 -0400
Great Responses to Raza.
For years I have listened and agreed with another Muslim reformer, Tarek Fatah. I wish that he was younger and could spread all of his wisdom on Islam around to other generations.
Almost completely opposite; I rarely agree with Raza, although I respect what she is trying to do.
commented 2018-06-06 01:00:54 -0400
Allan, does it really sound like i think it is plausible. I know what the koran says about it, I know the history and I know what is happening all around us. If Islam was going to change it would have done it by now.
When I say I would love for Islam to reform I mean it like I would love to be 30 again. It ain’t going to happen. I guess that didn’t translate.
commented 2018-06-06 00:41:29 -0400
LIZA ROSIE
I would love for Islam to reform…
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Reform
Origin: Middle English (as a verb in the senses ‘restore (peace)’ and ‘bring back to the original condition).

Liza is this what you really want? Or do you want islam to change? I would rather see muslims abandon that hateful belief system altogether. If it is bad enough to need changing its bad enough to abandon it all together.
commented 2018-06-05 23:57:39 -0400
Liza said in part “To my mind the problem in the west could fairly easily be dealt with if we escorted those who aren’t a fit for Canadian values out of the country and took the security of our borders seriously.”

Liza, if we did that, Parliament and the Senate would be completely cleaned out, along with every Provincial Legislative Assembly. We’d have no politicians left…. which, I suppose, might be a good thing.
commented 2018-06-05 23:37:18 -0400
I have to agree Maurice, I find it confusing as well. I have also never heard an explanation of the abrogated verses by a ‘reformist,moderate’ In fact I have never heard them even mentioned.
I would love for Islam to reform, but we can’t afford to wait for it, especially when the Koran says it is forbidden. To my mind the problem in the west could fairly easily be dealt with if we escorted those who aren’t a fit for Canadian values out of the country and took the security of our borders seriously. No western country can afford for fundamentalist Islam to take hold. Its kind of been proven many times, over distant and recent history. There are no lack of examples we should have learned from. No other religion has come to our country and told us we have to be patient while they become ‘moderate’. We have never had to rearrange our country for newcomers before. It seems a lot to ask. I find it impossible to trust the theocratic ideology of Islam. I could learn to trust a full blown Apostate who becomes atheist, agnostic or Christian, but it is impossible for me to have the blind faith necessary to trust Islam, in the face of what I know and see. We already know too much. Once the problem comes to the west how can ‘de-radicalization’ be expected to work on any scale to make any difference?
commented 2018-06-05 23:01:21 -0400
Does Raheel not know that the prophet Muhammad was a pedophile, rapist, warlord and mass murderer? Islam was “reformed” during the 18th century with the emergence Wahhabism, or the return of “pure Islam” through the cleric Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Raheel is living in a parallel universe if she is not even aware of the content of Islam’s “holy writings”. If she truly feels this way, she needs to take issue with Islamic doctrine itself…the Quran is the reason why she receives fatwas and death threats.
commented 2018-06-05 22:00:00 -0400
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (SATAN): 35,424 Attacks, 229,437 Killed, 309,580 Injured that we know of.

The fourth prong she didn’t mention is the Koran, the Hadiths and the life of Mohammad himself. Raheel, I admire you a lot, but I find your clinging to the religion of Islam very confusing and logically incoherent.
commented 2018-06-05 21:54:49 -0400
Liza and Karan, excellent posts.
commented 2018-06-05 20:35:53 -0400
Raheel Raza,
The only solution to radicalization is ‘LEAVE ISLAM’ and stop pretending as moderate muslim.
Moderate moslems, the fifth columnist in our countries, are the biggest threat to western civilization.
Show us which islamic text quran, sunna, hadith & sira preaches equality, respect & tolerance for non-muslims & religions other than islam.
Just tell us how you propose to turn masses of practicing moslems (1.5 billion) into tolerant & accepting human beings?
Do you suggest to delete change verses of quran to make it more moderate in nature??
To begin with publicly try redress the following 164 verses and see what results you get:
The quran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 002:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 003:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 004:071-072, 074-077, 084, 089-091, 094-095,100-104; 005:033, 035, 082; 008:001, 005, 007, 009-010, 012, 015-017, 039-048,057-060, 065-075; 009:005, 012-014, 016, 019-020, 024-026, 029,036, 038-039, 041, 044, 052, 073, 081, 083,086, 088, 092, 111, 120, 122-123; 016:110; 022:039, 058, 078; 024:053, 055; 025:052; 029:006, 069; 033:015, 018, 020, 023, 025-027, 050; 042:039; 047:004, 020, 035; 048:015-024; 049:015; 059:002, 005-008, 014; 060:009; 061:004, 011, 013; 063:004; 064:014; 066:009; 073:020; 076:008.
commented 2018-06-05 20:02:46 -0400
Our liberal, and sold out conservative governments are a large part of the problem. They have already been co opted, so it is going to be a trick to eradicate Islamists.
Maybe not in this country, but radical Islam has existed for centuries. The problem is much older than 45 years. I don’t blame Muslims or any migrant for coming here when the government has and is handing out invitations to ‘come on in’. But it has to stop. The ones here must integrate but how do you convince deeply orthodox Muslims to do that when the Koran tells them not to? As far as I am concerned only the ones who can walk away from fundamentalist Islam will have any possibility of making good Canadians. If they don’t want to do that they don’t have to come here.

I wonder how many years it will take to set things right again? Is it even possible to ‘de- radicalize’ anyone? I know Justin thinks he can de radicalize ISIS returnees, when they should instead have their citizenship stripped. I think there are a lot of Muslims who would leave the ideology if given half a chance and I think we should find a way to support that. But the radicals will most likely always be radicals. What I hate is that this is Canada’s problem in the first place. That’s a Trudeau’s version of multiculturalism for you. He’s gone too far.
commented 2018-06-05 19:54:31 -0400
I certainly agree with the cancer analogy. Isolate, radiate and chemo to eradicate it. To me that means deeming the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group, as well as Hamas. It means cutting off the Saudis(it will never happen) and using our own oil resource. It means cleaning out the government and all our institutions of the foreign influence which has infected it. It also means securing our borders and cutting the flow of migrants down to a slow slow trickle, barely even a trickle until such time as the migrants here are either integrated into Canadian society or deported. We must stop the ‘free stuff’. We have to keep our voting laws strong and it is absolutely imperative, not to allow the demographic to be tipped further. I am willing to share , but I don’t want the voting base to be that far skewed away from indigenous Canadians. I know Justin hates it and us, but Canada’s roots are European after all.

How do you de-radicalize a town in Bangladesh?
From The Ground Up