October 15, 2015

Today in History: Suleiman "The Magnificent" fails to capture Vienna, turns to attacking the West (1529)

John RobsonArchive

On Oct. 15, 1529, Suleiman “The Magnificent” began a retreat from Vienna which his armies had just failed to capture. 

So he turned to attacking the West in the Mediterranean, leaving it to his successors to again besiege Vienna in 1683. He also imposed a rigid law code on the Ottoman Empire that contributed to its long slow agonizing decline.

In the West rulers are considered great if they defend their own people not if they attack others, and if they respect laws arising from the people. The Ottomans would certainly have been much better off if they’d used the same criteria.


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commented 2015-10-21 18:38:47 -0400
As for today, Islam is still behind the world to my guess by about 400 years or so. It varies of course, as Egypt and Yemen are vastly different in social development ,so my number there is my best average estimate. 400 years ago if measuring social development and ignoring technology, you would see little difference between Europe on the cusp of the 30 years war and the Middle East today. Islam just doesn’t evolve the way the rest of the world does.

In any era it is foolish to even consider comparing Islam to the rest of the world. Have a read of this :

commented 2015-10-21 18:30:52 -0400
Your rant was ignorant one sided nonsense. You willfully omitted John’s overall point. Sultan after Sultan in the Ottoman Empire set out to conquer in the name of Islam to emulate their pedophile psychopath Prophet. Europe’s leaders mainly did it for their own reasons, and rarely if ever set out specific tasks like ‘bring me 300 white virgins for my harem’. This was a constant request by new Sultans when they took power after an old one since the days of Mohammed.

But go ahead. Just sit there and claim Islam is just like any other civilized creed and religion. We all know Justin Trudeau believes you, lol.
commented 2015-10-19 20:50:29 -0400
Marty, I’m not sure I get your point. I never even mentioned Columbus or said that the Barbary pirates were cool dudes. How does anything you said relate to my comment?
commented 2015-10-18 14:33:10 -0400
It is not BS Alex. He is wrong on point as I feel the Islamic dark age began far sooner than John claims, but your rant is one-sided nonsense.

It was Islam who chased Christianity into the old Roman frontier after destroying the Byzantine Empire and isolating the Vatican. If Vienna didn’t hold, Italy itself would have likely fallen to the Caliphate itself. The main reason Christopher Columbus sailed West was to get around the closed Silk Road. He had to sail from Portugal because, due to the Barbary Coast Pirates, he couldn’t safely launch from his home nation of Italy. Italy had next to zero coastal cities or harbours due to repeated slave raids by the North African Caliphs. No one was willing to build cities on the coast in Italy until after the British and newly formed USA ended that little party of savagery at the end of the 18’th century.

You have proven yourself quite a useful idiot here when it comes to Islam vs Europe in history. The House of Saud would be proud of you.
commented 2015-10-17 13:15:37 -0400
This is all revisionist BS, but the funniest part is Robson’s insane claim that “if you look at leaders in the West who were considered great it’s because they defended their own people from peril, not because they went after other people.”

Ya. I mean, it’s not like Alexander the Great was known for conquering foreign – uh – I mean, Catherine the Great didn’t go around wiping nations off the (oops, forgot about Poland)… well, surely Napoleon… I mean Charlemagne… I mean Frederick the Great… and so on.

You can type “fifth grade history lessons” into Google and find much more nuanced and grounded analysis than this idiot is prepared to offer.
commented 2015-10-16 13:25:52 -0400
Dr. Robson, I enjoy these “Today in History” lessons and learn a lot. Also too, I wanted to say that I really enjoyed the Magna Carta documentary you made.
commented 2015-10-15 22:39:31 -0400
I feel the decline began much sooner than that. During the 800 year Hindu genocide, the Silk Road was in Islamist hands and they quickly resorted to banditry on it, which eventually closed it off entirely. This prompted a certain famous Italian to attempt to go East, by ‘blasphemously’ sailing West… The rest is common history.
commented 2015-10-15 18:42:06 -0400
An ironic repeat of history going on in Europe with the latest caliphate invasion
commented 2015-10-15 13:42:52 -0400
Always a pleasure listening to your history lessons, thanks John.