July 08, 2019

Tom Harris: China's “escape clause” means they'll never follow UN climate bullying

Sheila Gunn ReidRebel Host | The Gunn Show

On this week's episode of The Gunn Show, Tom Harris joined Sheila Gunn Reid to talk about the political absurdities behind the climate change rules promoted by local to international governments.

Under a Dalton McGuinty government, Ontario shut down their coal-burning power plants causing electricity prices to spike.

In this video, Sheila and Tom explore the idea that these green initiatives only end up hurting poor Canadians.

Tom Harris is the executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition with 30 years' experience as a mechanical engineer. You can find out more about him at the DeSmogBlog.

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commented 2019-07-10 16:59:42 -0400
Rather than address Tom Harris’ phony political conspiracy theories regarding Gore and Strong or the scientific evidence, Liza Rosie chooses to repeat her religious based insults – “the sheep in search of a new religion.” Liza Rosie falls back on ad homenin attacks because she has no rational argument. Lisa Rosie makes the unsupported assertion all government links are illegitimate because “math and models” are manipulated.

Like Liza Rosie, Tom Harris often falls back on insults and phony conspiracy theories. For example: Tom Harris asserts Greenpeace, the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of Alberta, Canada (APEGA), American Institute of Chemical Engineers (AIChE), Geological Society of America (GSA), The Royal Society, and “other science bodies” are part of a conspiracy whose agenda “has never been about the environment. It has always been a mechanism to advance socialism, grow government, reduce individual rights, reduce human population, and ignore the human suffering and environmental damage their policies cause.” https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/sciences-untold-scandal-the-lockstep-march-of-professional-societies-to-promote-the-climate-change-scare/

Mr. Harris asserts these professional and scientific organizations have “anti-human, anti-environment agenda appear to suffer emotional and psychological problems” because the accept the scientific evidence of human-cause climate change.

Irrational insults and phony conspiracy theories are less than convincing.
commented 2019-07-10 15:04:56 -0400
Carry on Dave. Nobody buys any of it anymore. But with regard to huckters Gore and Strong, Strong was a social engineering fanatic and was willing to use any tool to further that agenda. It made no difference if the pretence turned out to be a lie. Gore was the warm up act, pure entertainment value to get the attention of the low IQ trusting masses and the sheep in search of a new religion, something they could virtue signal about and feel a part of. It has been a political hoax from its inception.

Also government links don’t count anymore. As if they are going to legitimize the current info on the manipulated math and models or the lack of correlation between CO2 and warming. There are lots of links out there to support the lie, we all know this. But do try again.
commented 2019-07-10 13:53:44 -0400
We know Mr. Tom Harris’ conspiracy theories about Al Gore and Maurice Strong are false because 1) Like Tom Harris neither Al Gore nor Maurice Strong ever studied climate science or related field. Like Tom Harris, neither Al Gore nor Maurice Strong conducted any research in or wrote any scientific papers about climate science or related fields. 2) Mr. Harris conspiracies are contradictory. If Maurice Strong created the “myth” of “man-made carbon dioxide causing global warming” then its not possible for Al Gore to be responsible for “dangerous mythology of dangerous manmade global warming.”

Liza Rose’s assertion, “The correlation between CO2 and warming has been disproven” is not supported by the scientific evidence. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/temperature-change

Lisa Rose’s assertion that “Carbon dioxide isn’t anything but plant food” is false. “While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events.” https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

Liza Rose’s claim that there is “now a concern that we will see a carbon deficit.” Ignores the fact carbon dioxide levels today are higher than at any point in at least the past 800,000 years. “In fact, the last time the atmospheric CO2 amounts were this high was more than 3 million years ago, when temperature was 2°–3°C (3.6°–5.4°F) higher than during the pre-industrial era, and sea level was 15–25 meters (50–80 feet) higher than today.” https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide

Liza Rose’s religious themed insults – “those who follow the religion of climate hoaxery” and childish name-calling – “kooks like Climate Emergency Climate Barbie” are not the signs of a well-reasoned argument.
commented 2019-07-10 13:28:56 -0400
Despite Mr. Tom Harris claim to have “successfully completed doctoral studies in thermo-fluids sciences” in his 2004 APCO Worldwide bio, Mr. Harris does not claim to have earned a doctorate. In his current bio on his ICSC website, Mr. Harris description of his education is “Tom Harris, B. Eng., M. Eng. (Mech., thermofluids), Ottawa, Ontario, Canada;” http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=280

Since your making claims about Mr. Harris credentials, we should review his resume. Mr. Harris current position as executive director of International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) is closely related to the Heartland Institute. https://www.heartland.org/about-us/who-we-are/tom-harris Heartland is a conservative pro-fossil fuel “think thank” who has a long history of promoting pseudo-science. https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/july-1998-five-lies-about-tobacco-the-tobacco-bill-wasnt-about-kids

Prior joining the ICSC, Tom Harris was executive director the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP). The NRSP was shut down in 2008 after public revelations the group was the brain child of a registered lobbyist for the Canadian Electricity Association and the Canadian Gas Association. Tom Harris had been an employee of the lobbying firm. According to him, NRSP was his former boss’s idea. https://www.thestar.com/news/2007/01/28/whos_still_cool_on_global_warming.html

Prior to working with the NRSP, Harris was a Former Director of Operations at the Canadian PR and lobbying firm called the High Park Group (HPG).

Prior to joining High Park, Harris was an Associate with APCO Worldwide, a PR and lobbying firm who is infamous for creating The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC) which worked to advance tobacco industry interests.

Prior to joining APCO Worldwide, Mr. Harris was a “served as media relations and science and technology advisor to [Bob Mills] the Opposition Senior Environment Critic in Canada’s House of Commons.” https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tom_Harris_(Canadian_engineer/PR_specialist)#Before_APCO
commented 2019-07-10 02:29:15 -0400
“Mr. Harris holds Bachelors and Masters in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and successfully completed doctoral studies in thermo-fluids sciences.”
I don’t know what successful completion of doctoral studies in Thermo-fluids means if not a doctorate in thermo-fluids. You’re grasping.

David James said, “Mr. Harris is not just a critic of climate science. He rejects the scientific evidence of human-caused climate change and promotes various political conspiracies.”


Al Gore and Strong (who is now dead thank God) are of the same school of thought, and spewed a lot of the same rubbish. Strong was the man who put the United Nations into the environmental business.

I get that you won’t accept that coal burning plants in this day and age in the west are highly efficient. You are entitled to your opinion on that and the myth of man made global warming, but its not selling as well as it used to, if you haven’t noticed. Its kooks like Climate Emergency Climate Barbie who have really done a number on the credibility of the narrative that the science is settled. Her exaggerated rantings have gone a long way to getting peoples attention for all the wrong reasons. I’d like to thank her for her hand in the shattering of the myth.

The correlation between CO2 and warming has been disproven. Carbon dioxide isn’t anything but plant food. In fact if emissions keep falling it is now a concern that we will see a carbon deficit.
For every article you pull up I could pull up a counter. We could do this all night. I think you people are funny. The world is starting to laugh at those who follow the religion of climate hoaxery. But carry on. You should go back to spin school though. You’re not very good at it.
commented 2019-07-10 01:18:36 -0400
Your mistaken about Tom Harris’ credentials. Mr. Harris studied engineering but he does not have a doctorate. His professional experience since 2002 has been in communications, lobbying and public relations. (Source Mr. Harris’ podcast “Exploratory Journeys – 001” and Mr. Harris’ APCO World Wide bio)

Mr. Harris is not just a critic of climate science. He rejects the scientific evidence of human-caused climate change and promotes various political conspiracies. For Example: Mr. Harris blames former Vice-President Al Gore for the “dangerous mythology of dangerous manmade global warming.” (Source “HOW AL GORE BUILT THE GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD” by Jay Lehr & Tom Harris, Oct 18, 2018, The Heartland Institute)

However Mr. Harris can’t keep his conspiracy theories straight. On Jun 18, 2018, Mr. Harris asserted that “man-made carbon dioxide causing global warming” was a “myth” created by Maurice Strong. (Source “$312 Billion: Green Energy Makes Ontario the Most Debt-Ridden Province on Earth” by Dr. Tim Ball and Tom Harris, Jun 18, 2018, PJ Media)

A quick review of Tom Harris op-eds show he promotes is coal and deregulation of coal. Coal is not a clean source of energy. https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-energy/coal-impacts
commented 2019-07-10 00:23:44 -0400
Still no prize Dave.
commented 2019-07-10 00:23:13 -0400
Dave James said, “Canada’s place in the world is one of leadership and much stronger than Mr. Harris claims.”

This seems to be a very disingenuous statement and is a very good ‘tell’.
What Tom Harris said is: “Canada has the potential to be a world leader in so many ways, but if we are going to cripple ourselves in ways that are not crippling countries like China, you know we are really going to lose out”.

Dave James said, “Canada’s place in the world is one of leadership”. If you are talking about so called green initiatives, its a burden on all of us to prop up something the market isn’t ready for or it wouldn’t need government subsidy, as proven by the policies rolled out in Ontario by McGinnty and Wynne under tutelage of Justin’s best friend Gerry.

If you belong to the ‘climate crisis’ cult you would probably call Harris a ‘coal activist’ and ignore the clean technology we have for burning it.
commented 2019-07-10 00:21:53 -0400
We have the cleanest technology in the world. For every coal plant Canada or the U.S. shut down, China builds dozens of new ones. They are not limiting their emissions and have that poverty escape clause that gets them out of capping them in 2030 and into the future. Also they aren’t fussy about environmental protection, regardless of their signing onto the Paris Agreement.

Having said that, at the moment the price of coal is not competitive against that of natural gas so I have to concede that some coal plants are closing, but its not because they are ‘dirty’. Also there is a cost to building and refitting existing coal fired plants to use natural gas besides don’t the eco nuts want to faze out natural gas as well ? All their ‘green’ alternatives put together won’t meet the needs of the public or industry.

Harris is a critic of science exaggeration and an advocate for oil and gas, nuclear energy, AND coal. He has a Masters in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering and has a doctorate in thermo-fluids sciences.
commented 2019-07-09 18:39:58 -0400
Tom Harris’ op-ed’s show Mr. Harris is a pro-coal activist. You can his words in context by going to the sources provided.
commented 2019-07-09 18:38:36 -0400
America is shutting down its coal power plants because their dirty and cannot compete with natural gas and renewable energy despite the Trump administration to boost coal. https://fortune.com/2019/01/14/coal-power-plants-trump/

The benefit of fewer US coal plants for Canadians is clear. For decades the price of America’s coal plants has been paid for by Canadians in the form of cost border pollution. https://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/us-canada-air-quality-agreement

Unlike your unsupported assertion that I am a shill “for the manufactured narratives,” Tom Harris’ op-ed’s show Mr. Harris is a pro-coal activist. You can words in context by going to the sources provide. Canada’s place in the world is one of leadership and much stronger than Mr. Harris claims.
commented 2019-07-09 13:53:12 -0400
Nice try Dave, but no prize. Where do you think America gets most of their electricity from? Your country loves that ‘dirty’ coal. Its cheap, efficient, and with North American technology and standards , clean. America generates at least half of their electricity with coal. I’d say you sound like a shill for the manufactured narratives which are determined to keep Canada in its place, in LAST place.
commented 2019-07-09 12:20:09 -0400
Canada punches well beyond its weight class in the world community. Tom Harris argument that Canada is too small to matter is not convincing me as an American. I doubt it very compelling to Canadians.

Mr. Harris claims that coal is cheaper than other sources of energy is not accurate. Coal is only cheaper if the public pays the cost of the pollution generated by the extraction, transportation and burning of coal.

Mr. Harris op-ed shows he is a pro-coal activist. “Clean coal for the future” Tom Harris, Feb 9, 2018, Idaho Press, “Coal key to national security strategy” Tom Harris, Jan 13, 2018, The Spectrum,“Climate scare must be debunked for coal to recover” Tom Harris, Jan 2, 2018, Superior Telegram, “Harris: Coal has many uses” Tom Harris, Sep 3, 2018, Casper Star Tribune.
commented 2019-07-08 16:20:08 -0400
the U.N. are useless, and pathetic at all things on this planet. why would anyone nowadays go to that group of clowns for a shoe shine. they would miss and shine your head instead.
commented 2019-07-08 15:32:42 -0400
Climate change is nothing but a distraction, taking peoples minds off Race Change. The only Change that we need to worry about is Trudeau Change and it should be permanent.
commented 2019-07-08 13:51:52 -0400
“Its an insult to science”
“Its unscientific”
UN IPCC Scientist Debunks UN IPCC Lies
Dr. Nils-Axel Mörner, the retired head of the paleogeophysics and geodynamics at Stockholm University.

You believers of the lie will be exposed.