April 20, 2017

Top five problems with Trudeau’s new pot law

Brian LilleyArchive

For a while now, Justin Trudeau’s been promising to legalize pot. Actually, for a long time it really was his only campaign promise, so I’m not surprised that he’s legalizing the herb, I’m just shocked at how badly he's doing it. 

One defence lawyer I spoke to who has no issue with marijuana being legal still called this bill a hot mess.

Some of the problems were immediately apparent, other problems are being discovered over time.

Watch as I lay out my top five problems with Trudeau’s pot legalization law that are going to bring about chaos and create plenty of problems.

Considering how long he’s been talking about this major policy change, you’d think he would have done more to avoid these foreseeable problems when he finally got around to it.

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commented 2017-04-23 23:15:48 -0400
ATOKENCONSERVATIVE, Just read your comments a short time ago.
Thanks for your perspective. Yes, I would read links or sources. I wanted Jack Carter to back up his declarations/statements. I didn’t answer Jack about alcohol, he didn’t post links etc…he decided to name call and in my mind, the conversation with him wasn’t worth pursuing any further. In many of his posts, he behaves like a sniper.
I worked in addictions from 1988-1997 College educated in Social Work,a field placement of 640 hrs in a Detoxification Unit. During my front-line work in this field, I also had on-going training in addictions and mental health. Health Canada and others were looking at harm reduction as another tool to help substance abusers and individuals addicted to mood-altering substances.
I worked with youth, adults and the elderly. I left this field as I needed a change, it’s very draining to do this work. My other employment in social services brought me face to face with clients with many presenting problems; including addiction. I have always worked hard to provide the best possible service for my clients and referred them to community resources for additional support. I try to stay current with developments and advances in the area of addiction and mental health.
My comment about the developing brain was truncated to save time, and I didn’t realize this would be a problem for some people.
I still have friends in the field, and when we talk about some of the most pressing issues facing society, we always come back to the increasing number of youth struggling with substance use and abuse. It’s alcohol, pot, pharmaceuticals, harder drugs…resources are lacking.

I believe Trudeau’s plan for “legalization” is a bait and switch tactic. There are many who voted for him based on the idea of true legalization, and I think they will be very disappointed with what they end up with. In my opinion, decriminalization is a better option.

Press for Truth posted an interesting video
Another video live streamed by Press for Truth 4/20 in Vancouver makes some good points, just be patient, the video could have been shortened
commented 2017-04-23 21:28:14 -0400
Finally, to Brian: congratulations on finally seeing the light! I’ve criticized you in the past for your prohibitionist tendencies, but it looks like you’ve come around to at least accepting reality. That’s what I like about this story. There’s none of the usual right wing moral condemnation of pot in itself that I’ve usually seen on this site. It’s a more practical approach, like you accept that pot’s going to be legal, now let’s look at what’s wrong with the way it’s being done instead of gnashing our teeth over whether it’s going to be done or not. Something to chew on: I can practically guarantee that your hopeful reaction from pot smokers on this issue is correct. Many people who voted for Trudeau because of this have changed their minds. I know lots of them, and that’s the sentiment I get from every one of them. I think it’s possible the optics are hurting the LPC overall also. I think people who voted for Trudeau for other reasons are re-thinking their positions because of how he’s handling this, and wondering if he’s going to be such an idiot with all the other pie-in-the-sky promises he made. I think many, most, or even all of them will be voting NDP or someone else in the future, with a very small percentage going to the right.
commented 2017-04-23 20:53:45 -0400
A few here sound like they don’t understand what’s actually happening. Assuming Trudeau comes thru, come July of next year a person will be able to grow up to 4 plants in his/her home. Anybody, medical or recreational. We Canadians will further be able to light up said home-grown pot in our own houses at least, and it remains to be seen where else, with no threat of prosecution from any level of government. If we’re at a bar with a smoking lounge or patio, it’s Willie Nelson time, and there’s not one little thing any politician, lawyer, judge, police officer or right wing reefer madness extremist can do about it. It’s legalization, but just barely. It’s possible that Trudeau will be implementing some kind of control on source, but that’s not really workable with the home grow option.
commented 2017-04-23 20:47:33 -0400
Drew; your attack on Jack re: Canadians wanting this. He’s right and your implication is wrong. 61%. It’s in the link he provided a couple of pages ago, and I’ve seen it all over the net. It’s time to drop that argument.
commented 2017-04-23 20:42:06 -0400
Drew; your “hilarious” post, I’ve been saying that for years. A few election cycles from now it will be the conservatives, by whatever name, campaigning for deregulation of the repressive LPC pot regime. Actually, it could be sooner than that. But it will happen.
commented 2017-04-23 20:39:51 -0400
Drew; you’re right. Trudeau promised full legalization and he sold the stoners a pig in a poke, just as I predicted.
commented 2017-04-23 20:33:31 -0400
Tammie and Jack, I’ve just started reading the feud between you two and I’m with Jack. There are a lot of conservatives and even Conservatives who are pro-legalization, CCFLM, for example. And as far as backing up his claim, like I said already, 10 seconds with Google will get you all the answers you want and it’s unlikely you’ll like any of them. Wishing it weren’t true won’t make it not so, and the truth is that legalization has gone very well in every place it’s been done.
commented 2017-04-23 20:25:34 -0400
Jack Carter: yes, there are positive aspects to a regulated quality controlled market as opposed to an unregulated street market. There are also problems with it. But street pot laced? With oregano, maybe, but that’s it. You really need to just drop that argument.
commented 2017-04-23 20:20:55 -0400
Tammie: I think it was your first post on this story that questioned the credibility of the claim that legalization was going well in the states. You include an unreasonable list of acceptable respondents, given the forum, but your basic claim is that legalization is NOT going well in the states that has gone that way. Well Tammie, you simply haven’t tried looking. Google it pretty much anyway you want, there’s plenty of evidence that legalization has gone very well in every state that’s tried it. As well as those places where it isn’t strictly legal but it might as well be like Amsterdam. None, and I mean not one of the horror stories the prohibitionists insisted at full volume were sure to strike any constituency foolish enough to flirt with the devil weed came true, in any way other than by extreme spin. If you respond with insistence for proof, I guess I’ll take the 10 seconds needed to provide links, but I suspect they’d go unopened by you anyway.
Now, my real response to your post is this: I question your credibility. I know quite a few people working in and around the industries you claim to have years of experience in. I also know quite a few people who are politically astute and know how to write a convincing argument from notes supplied by others. My problem is your quote “Remember, the human brain is developing until age 21”. That’s just a bit too boilerplate for me to accept. If you really had been working around the types of people you claim to have been working around it’s very unlikely you’d say that, in those words. That sentence is pretty much cut and paste from Health Canada, when anyone in that world knows it’s simply not true. It’s an average, and not a very accurate one, at best and an actual professional would know that and say so in some way in their argument. It’s too formal and bureaucratic. A real addictions counselor would never assume that specific age for any individual, at least, not a good one. When I first read your post that sentence just jumped out at me. I don’t think any actual addictions counselor would ever type those actual words in a forum like this, it would be more like “at least 21” or words to that effect. I admit I don’t agree with you, there’s never been any convincing proof that anything resembling a serious “addiciton” to pot has ever affected anyone and your argument is just Reefer Madness 2017. And I like what another comment said that it would be nice if you at least admitted that alcohol is at least as bad as any other particular substance as far as gateway drugs are concerned.
commented 2017-04-23 20:00:13 -0400
Bill Elder commented a couple days ago about big brother swooping in and stopping home grows. My understanding of the legislation as proposed says recreational users will be able to grow up to 4 plants/person, up to a certain height. So, no CannaSwat.
commented 2017-04-22 19:09:11 -0400
Yes Dan Mancuso…It’s all a diversion tactic of the moderate and extremist liberals…They jump all over on something that is a back burner type promise ….We will hear how glorious trudeau is on how he made pot legalized and how wonderful it will be because of it. How he and monsef made Canadian Women more pro Feminist by them not answering to FGM….Blah…Blah..Blah..with the cbc going Blah…Blah…Blah.. Intercourse!!… something has to change in a hurry.
commented 2017-04-22 00:56:05 -0400
Mixed messages is right. How come none of the 420 brainiacks David Menzies interviewed know any of these ‘details’?
Too funny our resident troll thinks Justin’s ‘legalization’ is going to make pot smokers happy. Maybe he couldn’t focus long enough to watch Brian’s video. It is going to be a sht show come July. I suppose that is part of the plan.
" Yea Justin, your the best man!"
commented 2017-04-21 21:54:31 -0400
Drew Wakriuk, Jack Carter makes a lot of assumptions. In doing so, he runs the risk of people asking him to back up his statements…he doesn’t! Instead, he will launch a personal attack and use talking points with no substance to posture! Sometimes, he will make a rational comment, too bad these comments are few and far between.
commented 2017-04-21 20:58:26 -0400
Jack Carter when did Canadians say they were happy with this? Did you do a national survey? Or did you make it up in your small mind?
commented 2017-04-21 12:34:30 -0400
This video was live streamed yesterday from Vancouver 4/20
Same interviewer, takes him too long to make his points. He refers to Trudeau’s legislation as something of a Trojan Horse, legalization via Draconian Laws.

At 8:45 min he speaks of criminal charges under this legislation.
“Marijuana Inc moving in and taking over”
commented 2017-04-21 12:32:45 -0400
I think Justin and comrades are sending a clear message and not just on pot and it’s not song and dance a la Mel Brooks’ “The Producers”.
Justin is a self avowed aspiring dictator, who is morally bankrupt and has no scruples, zealous as a murdering jihadi with delusions of grandeur. That’s scary…especially when you consider all the rest of the damage to Canada he is already responsible for…
This sociopath, born with a silver spoon up his ass-globalist-front-man is taking over, it is happening daily. Our rights are being rescinded, our wealth stolen, our sovereignty as an independent nation and our way of life is almost gone.
Justin’s Pot Lies are just one more obvious example of his master’s real intent…
commented 2017-04-21 12:07:56 -0400
I came across this video last week, Trudeau’s plans sure sound far off the mark for legalization, his supporters will be sorely disappointed in 2018. The video could have been shortened, the points raised are valid.
commented 2017-04-21 10:47:07 -0400
This tadpole from QUE.must have been given POT when he was 2 years old.
commented 2017-04-21 10:43:25 -0400
Rejoice , Though I , Justin the First , taketh away your guns and free speech, I giveth you the joys of marijuana so you won’t care anymore.

Liberal Socialist benevolence !
Don’t worry Brian, all will sort itself out just like budgets balance themselves.
commented 2017-04-21 10:31:53 -0400
Carter you must be smoking that cheap-assed Fed-Med pot – there has not been any “laced” pot on the streets for over 3 decades and when there was, it was the feds (DEA) who put it there. Normal street pot is pure, hybrid and depending on what you look for, potent. The supply and disti system is far more tuned into to consumer demand than the Feds are.

The feds just want an excuse to run another sleazy intoxicant monopoly – sell crap pot at high costs and still bust you for growing your own. The US has a constitution that impacts personal pot use which their feds have been violating since prohibition – we gave no such civil protection – so if pot legalization goes well in the US it is because of the state governments – they are not hampered with a greed-head control freak administration like Canada. Is hash now legal? How ’bout hash oil or pot oil?

Legalization means just that, legal use and possession = NOT the monopolization of supply and distribution by government.
commented 2017-04-21 10:11:54 -0400
Let them tax the hell out of it! That just means people will keep buying it from their regular dealers and the Liberals won’t make ANY money from the sale. It’s nice to know that we can carry just over an ounce on our person AND have 4 plants growing back at home.
commented 2017-04-21 10:09:38 -0400
This is a set-up, just like the gun control registry. The liberals use it to create their target list. All those who thought that obtaining a “medicinal licence” for pot are being tracked. They know your habits and will ensure that you buy through their chain of suppliers. I think the black-market will continue, in spite of junior’s overreach. As always the liberals pad their own pockets, and those of their friends. They will never do anything they promised, because they are narcissistic liars and thieves. I think the Mexican drug lords, will be the number one suppliers of junior’s pot chain.
commented 2017-04-21 02:27:52 -0400
Brian, please stop giving Justine ideas on how to improve his mad policies. Let the beta man hanged himself.
commented 2017-04-21 02:13:04 -0400
Drew Wakariuk,

Did you miss the part that Canadians are happy about this and can’t wait until next year. I am sorry that you are not joining in the celebration.
commented 2017-04-21 01:07:32 -0400
WOW , buying it form a liberal supplier for 3 or 4 times the price is so much better than the way it is now LMAO!
commented 2017-04-21 01:06:54 -0400
Jack Carter he said full legalization moron, i can already walk around with it with no worries. He is coming down harder on dealers now , did you miss that part? You sure are brain dead.
commented 2017-04-21 00:24:07 -0400
Drew Wakariuk,

If anything, they are going to try to reverse it. Unless Kevin O’ Leary is leader.
commented 2017-04-21 00:23:09 -0400
Drew Wakariuk,

Pot will be legal in Canada next year. Did you think that there wouldn’t be any restrictions and you can walk around with a garbage bag size amount of weed and grow a farm sauce amount of weed?
commented 2017-04-21 00:11:08 -0400
It would be hilarious if the conservatives got into power and changed the legislation so that it was a free market, the libs would suddenly be against the idea and Jack would be telling us that it is a horrible thing to do.
commented 2017-04-21 00:09:59 -0400
Jack Carter it is only partly illegal and this is not making it legal. And many conservatives smoke pot. And how can you speak for smokers when you are not nor were you ever one? The people supported Justin for full legalization , not for a new cartel.