January 01, 2016

CAUGHT ON CAMERA: Toronto protest against radical Islam turned into Christian Islamic dialogue

Jonathan D. HaleviRebel Blogger

Four Christian activists demonstrated on December 27, 2015 against what they called the radical message of Islam in front of the Metro Toronto Convention Centre where the Reviving of the Islamic Spirit (RIS) convention was taking place.

They held signs with the following messages: “Love your enemies”, “Not all who say to me Lord, Lord shall enter heaven. Matthew, 7:21”, “Eternal Life = deny self, follow Jesus” and “Get right with Jesus. Read and heed the Holy Bible. Christ will come, judge, rule.”


One of them was a woman who introduced herself as an ex-Palestinian Muslim who was raised in Saudi Arabia and escaped being killed by her family after she converted to Christianity.


In her speech, she read verses of the Quran in Arabic, translated them to English and based on these verses and other hadiths (record of the traditions or sayings of Muhammad the prophet of Islam), she argued that the Quran is a discretionary book, satanic, full of hatred towards the Jews and teaches Muslims to love death and to kill the unbelievers.


She quoted a sound hadith attributed to Mohammad who said that the Day of Judgment will not come until the Muslims will fight the Jews and the rocks and trees will say to the Muslims: a Jew is hiding behind me, come and kill him.


The source of the problem is the Quran itself, she said, as anyone who reads it either leave it or become a terrorist. She went no to slam Mohammad for being according to her a “liar” and a “false prophet”.


A number of participants at the Reviving of the Islamic Spirit (RIS) convention approached the Christian protesters, booed them, accused them of hate speech and wished the woman to be burnt in the hell-fire before leaving the place.


Later they came back and a calm dialogue developed between the two groups under the watching eyes of several Police officers who were called to the scene.

(This article originally appeared at CIJNews and is reprinted with permission.)

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commented 2016-01-04 16:50:16 -0500
To me this is the bottom line, and why I identify as a Christian, even though I do not relate personally with organized religion.
@ Sheldon Berg. “For example if all Christians followed Christs teachings perfectly there could be no doubt the world would be a better place. In contrast, if all Muslims followed the teachings of Mohamned as found I. The Quarantine, Hadiths, and Suna there would be a great deal more killing, violence and turmoil. Those who are prepared to be honest must face up to this fact. Those who do not want to face this fact need to be honest.”

Having said that I don’t personally relate to organized religion, I do still recognise the influence it has always had and always will have on civilization. I’ll take the Christian ten commandments over any ‘instruction’ laid out in the Koran any day, and maintain that there is no place for the law of Islam in civilized modern western society. It is not compatible with the freedom and peace our forefathers took seriously to protect. It is the antithesis of everything we stand for and hold dear in the west. There is no equivalence, in my mind, between Christianity and the laws of Islam.
commented 2016-01-04 15:51:04 -0500
Liza Rosie;
Thank you for the kind words. I am trying to be gracious and polite while staying true and firm to my convictions. If it is true that culture precedes politics than it seems to also be true that what we as individuals believe precedes culture. The power of one persons beliefs matter. The understanding of world views and cultures and the ability to make proper distinctions between ideas is vital. I know that I fail st this as well (I mean that sincerely). We are not going to get out of our problems until we change our course and our course will not be corrected with the usual way of thinking. This usual way of thinking involves prejudices that are often rife within the progressive mindset.
I expect people will not share my views on Christianity but we should be able to recognize basic facts about this religion. There are valid criticisms of Christians and I would be an example of far too many failings as a self proclaimed follower of Christ. Yet, the critics themselves need to shine the same light of scrutiny back on themselves. We need to make a distinction between the teachings of a faith and the failure of individuals to follow those teachings. For example if all Christians followed Christs teachings perfectly there could be no doubt the world would be a better place. In contrast, if all Muslims followed the teachings of Mohamned as found I. The Quarantine, Hadiths, and Suna there would be a great deal more killing, violence and turmoil. Those who are prepared to be honest must face up to this fact. Those who do not want to face this fact need to be honest.
commented 2016-01-04 12:08:26 -0500
Sheldon Berg, precisely! Well explained and makes perfect sense.
commented 2016-01-04 10:29:48 -0500
Karin Bougie;
With respect, yours is a simpletons response to a more complex question/issue. Christians are not blowing other people up. Christians are not gang raping women and young girls. Christians are not taking over countries and imposing sharia law. Christians do not behead or cut off the hands and feet of people who break their code of conduct. Christians do not kill gays and lesbians. Christians as imperfect as they are follow a different teaching that is very demanding: love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you.
Karin, you confirm the point that I am trying to make. Ignorance is part of the problem! If you want to make a moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam than I do not see you as a reasonable person. Certainly, there is a big difference between these two world views and you should be able to see that. If you had to choose between a country that was Christian and one that was Islamic I think we both know what your choice would be.
Lastly, is it religion that is the source of all fighting and killing? I don’t think so. A more mature analysis would be to recognize that human beings have a propensity to kill and murder and do nasty things. Christianity is a response to this human condition that its adherents believe is the answer to the problem.
commented 2016-01-04 09:59:31 -0500
“A number of participants at the Reviving of the Islamic Spirit (RIS) convention approached the Christian protesters, booed them, accused them of hate speech and wished the woman to be burnt in the hell-fire before leaving the place.”

The first reaction is always the truth. Once again, Mainstream Islam has some accounting to do… Disappointment after disappointment with these ‘civilized people’. I am no racist or bigot, but come on now, I am also no pushover or slave either!
commented 2016-01-04 09:14:41 -0500
All I see here is 2 groups of people, both fervently saying their religion is right. Both groups fighting over the truth of ‘their’ books wrote by some men, and believing their ‘books’ are the way to truth.
Religion is and always will be the dividing of mankind instead of the uniting it so wants to be.
commented 2016-01-04 02:47:28 -0500
Charleton G;
One of the points I am trying to make is that religion is not something that can be ignored. There is a great deal of ignorance surrounding theism and religion. One thing that should be clear is that not all religions are the same. A second point I want to make plain is that the history of western liberal democratic civilization was made possible in very large part because of Christianity. The culture and liberty of the west would not and cannot exist under Islam. A country that is dominantly Muslim will look very different than one like Canada or the USA or Australia. Another point that I am making is that the secular irreligious culture of the west has made a vacuum for Islam to fill. We have made political correctness, progressivism, and a mish-mash of post modern/positive logicalism the holy standard of our civilization. This is destroying the last vestiges of anything that can still be recognized as western culture and ultimately democracy, Liberty, British common law, and true progressive thinking (not the ‘progressivism’ of the current day). Lastly, a key point that I am making is that religion is not irrelevant to society. Culture precedes politics and there has been no greater impact on culture than religion. Religion tells us something other categories of thinking cannot. Christianity and Islam both in their own right have shaped civilizations and I don’t think even an atheist would deny that. You will probably disagree with me on ‘religion tells us something other categories of thinking cannot’ but if you do I will end up pointing out that you have retreated into religious territory to defend your position. After all, Atheism is a religion. Whatever our religious beliefs may be they impact our lives, our families, our communities and ultimately our country and our world.
All the best to you.
commented 2016-01-03 20:24:38 -0500
Sheldon Berg. Nonsense! I’ve been an atheist for all my life, all 71 years of it. No plans on changing anytime soon.
commented 2016-01-03 20:21:32 -0500
Nathan that is BS. Islam isn’t tolerant if any other religion. They hang gays and kill anyone who won’t convert to Islam. You ignore reality even though you can see it on every news cast.
commented 2016-01-03 19:44:40 -0500
My message is to secularists, agnostics, atheists, and the irreligious but especially to those who mock and ridicule religion. There is a principle in science that says, ‘nature abhors a vacuum’. This principle does not apply in science only. Human beings have always understood their own transcendent nature. This is the part of us that goes beyond our biology and materiality. Of course, you do not have to believe this. You can live your life without such a conviction, although, I do not believe any person can believe that consistently or rationally. The human mind, objective morals, first principles of science, the origin of the universe, the beautiful, mathematics, logic and rationality, among many other human experiences and realities tell us that there is a transcendent part of us that can only be explained by a God. This is a point of agreement among Muslims, Jews, and Christians as well as some other religions. This is the basis of all sound theistic thinking.
The thing that concerns me most is not the argument between the Muslims and the Christians but the people who walk by on the street as if this discussion does not affect them. You cannot dismiss the question of who God is! If we try to ignore this conversation the conversation will find you. Islam will draw you out. It is interesting for me to realize that the peace of Christianity that teaches the church to love its enemies and do good to those that hate her Is making an environment that will force the agnostic into the conversation. The arrogance of those who wish to ignore God have created a vacuum for God. I believe the choice will be to either bow to Islam or engage in an honest gut check on the ‘religious’ question. You may not want to admit it but the freedom and prosperity of the west is based on Christian principles and the grace of the Christian God – Jesus Christ. We would all be better for understanding the Christian scriptures and taking them more seriously. You can mock, ridicule, and scoff at religion but one way or another you cannot ignore the question of God forever. That question is going to be asked of you one way or another and your answer to it will determine the society you live in today, tomorrow, and beyond.
commented 2016-01-03 16:34:46 -0500
Nathan, which part of, “A number of participants at the Reviving of the Islamic Spirit (RIS) convention approached the Christian protesters, booed them, accused them of hate speech and wished the woman to be burnt in the hell-fire before leaving the place.” did you identify as a rational and peaceful conversation? She was also called a racist. When the group surrounded the Christians, I thought some boots were going to fly. Where did you buy those rose coloured glasses anyway? You should at least clean the lenses once in a while, your vision is clouded. And take those fingers out of your ears!
commented 2016-01-03 13:52:01 -0500
Saying the Bible endorses slavery, inequality and men’s control over women is a half truth. The New Testament goes against all those practices (Galatians 3:28).
commented 2016-01-03 05:34:36 -0500
Funny thing, when you put people side by side, usually they can have rational and peaceful conversation.
All this fearmongering and hate speech online is driven by ignorance. The Bible endorses slavery, inequality and men’s control over women just as much as the Qur’an. However, in the West we have separation of church and state, and our governments can therefore uphold broader rights and liberties.
commented 2016-01-02 20:37:10 -0500
What a LADY that girl really is - and she can talk. On the other hand—that mouthy guy in the red hoodie and grey sweat pants should really change his ‘depends’ . They’re full of crap.
commented 2016-01-02 18:43:44 -0500
Wow! I really admire these Christians for speaking the truth. That woman knows full well what life as a Muslim woman under sharia law is like. Canada needs to wake up! Thank God for this protest. I have a Christian friend who immigrated here from Pakistan in the 70’s. She said that the Muslims used to throw stones and spit at them on their way to church, and call them prostitutes. I was uninformed back in those days as well and found it hard to believe. So many people in the West are sleeping and have no idea what sharia law means or what is written in the Quran. People here really need to become educated on this topic.
commented 2016-01-02 16:09:31 -0500
Oh I know they are useful idiots. I’m just wondering how much further it actually goes. Is it just about votes or do they worship Allah? Pretty sure Obama is a practicing Muslim.
commented 2016-01-02 15:21:15 -0500
4 Christian activists against more than 20,000 people attending RIS ? I suppose it’s a start.
When will Christians start their Reviving The Christian Spirit conference?
commented 2016-01-02 15:17:05 -0500
Elton, you are still wondering if ‘Dumb and Dumber’ are ‘useful idiots’ for the muslims? That was established some time ago!!
Kudos to this group who had the ‘spheres’ to ‘beard the lion’ and say what must be said.
commented 2016-01-02 15:04:20 -0500
Have to wonder how much influence is Trudeaus’ Muslim appeasing documentary film making brother having on him. When we see him praying in mosques, one wonders are him and Obama just useful idiots or are they actually worshipping Allah? And then there’s the lying Hillary who blows whichever way the votes do. God help us all if she becomes president.
commented 2016-01-02 14:41:29 -0500
I don’t think this woman’s shrieking tone really helped her cause. I applaud them for speaking out boldly, and they did speak the truth….Amazing that no one arrested them in this day and age!
commented 2016-01-02 14:20:45 -0500
Reminds me of the Ezra Levant’s interview with Tommy Robinson. Any doubt that it is already in Canada?
commented 2016-01-02 14:06:54 -0500
….and not a single Muslim woman in sight, either afraid, dutiful or both. Nothing but a bunch of omnipotent bullies, afraid of losing their power. Threatened by the thought that all they have been groomed for from birth to be true, all they have ever known is being challenged, by a woman no less, speaking out against the lie that she knows about first hand.

Thank goodness for this ex-Muslim woman and her companion speaking out. I think MP is correct, had this not been led by an ex Muslim the OPP would have shut it down pdq.
commented 2016-01-02 12:11:46 -0500
Freedom of speech DOES mean you can say things that are not popular or politically incorrect. Islam deserves its criticism. I don’t believe the woman in the video was telling a lie.
commented 2016-01-02 09:21:35 -0500
Milan. Shannon is a hater that doesn’t know what she’s talking about, and doesn’t want to know, like all haters! They simply hate. Like the book says; Because they Hate!
commented 2016-01-02 09:20:12 -0500
There is only one book inspired by the Holy Spirit in truth and that is the bible. All prophecy belongs to Him and anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, made in the flesh to die on the cross shedding His blood for all mankind through which they can be saved will be saved by grace. Through salvation they will be sealed with the Holy Spirit walking in truth. The Quran is a false book with a false prophet that will indefinitely lead others astray onto the wrong path which is a wide open pit. Jesus Christ’s path is the narrow one; Matthew 7:13-14 ~ “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
commented 2016-01-02 05:41:27 -0500
Islam is the religion of the Truth and Justice. Anyone read Quran and digging more in versus will eventually believe it’s a book from God. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean not to respect each other and on top of that all what she said is LIE
commented 2016-01-01 22:43:43 -0500
Shannon Hawkey: Please cite a single instance in the past 1,000 years that a Jew committed a crime against humanity in the name of the Talmud. You can’t because Judaism and Christianity (People of the Book as quoted and condemned in the Koran) have both gone through glorious reformations and both religions are truly religions of peace and love. Islam is yet to go through any kind of reformation and enlightenment and that is why we are seeing heinous crimes committed in the name of Islam on an hourly basis. Thank you.
commented 2016-01-01 22:20:01 -0500
That is what is called being
on the front line
commented 2016-01-01 21:55:49 -0500
If you think the Quran is bad, try the Talmud on for size!
commented 2016-01-01 21:33:06 -0500
Wow. That was great. I have sneaking suspicion that if that lady wasn’t an ex-Muslim, that party would have been broken up by the OPP. No one could have gotten away with that otherwise.