October 06, 2015

Trudeau confirms Liberals would start spying on Canadians; Media Party silent

Dean SkoreykoRebel Blogger

In a stunning revelation during an interview with Vice Canada yesterday, Liberal leader Justin Trudeau was asked about his party’s platform, which includes the ability for the Communication Security Establishment to spy on Canadians:

Vice.com reports:

According to the party’s official election platform, released earlier in the day, an elected Liberal government would “limit Communications Security Establishment’s powers by requiring a warrant to engage in the surveillance of Canadians.”

VICE News originally reported that meant the Liberals intended to give the Communication Security Establishment (CSE) new powers, since the agency is currently prohibited from “directing” surveillance at Canadians for domestic purposes. (...)

Asked several times during a special town hall in Toronto hosted by VICE Canada to clarify his stance, Trudeau emphasized that CSE would be subjected to oversight.

“We have to recognize that there are new threats in this world that we have to have the tools to [deal with],” said Trudeau. (...)

VICE Canada's head of content, Patrick McGuire, called on Trudeau during Monday's town hall to explain his stance on CSE, and repeatedly asked him why he wanted to give CSE a new power to surveil — a premise Trudeau did not dispute.

The press would go apoplectic if the Conservatives had stated in their platform that they would allow Canadians to be spied on but there isn’t a single mention of this today from any of the mainstream media.

How many articles and protests have we seen on outrage over Bill C-51?



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commented 2015-10-07 15:04:07 -0400
Sylvia Wilson, you are wrong! Religion and politics MUST mix. Since Religion is a personal declaration about what one believes to be objective truth, the mixing of religion with one’s politics is inevitable and necessary. That doesn’t mean that we all have to be in agreement, but you take what you believe to be true into the political arena and so do I. That’s how politics in a democratic society works.

When individual rights are trumped by the “so called” collective rights of special interest groups, the freedom to live out and express those rights always becomes tenuous, arbitrary and subject to the whims of the courts and partisan politicians. The greatest influence on political policies and court decisions often seems to be the loudest and most volatile voices, rather then the voices of moderation and reason. Therefore, we all have a duty to insure that our voices are equally heard. Freedom of religious expression in the public square, expression from all religious traditions, must be preserved at all cost as long as that expression does not advocate violence or compromise public safety.

If someone’s religion does not inform their politics, then their religion is shallow and meaningless. Any politician who claims that they can completely separate their politics from their religion are either liars or cowards who don’t have the courage to stand up for what they truly believe in. After all, a life lived with integrity, courage and honesty requires not only the vocal affirmation of what one believes to be objective truth, but also the integration of those espoused truths into all aspects of their daily life.

To stand by one’s religious belief in politics is not imposing one’s belief on others, it’s merely standing up for what he believed to be objective truth. If you don’t agree with Harper’s politics, fine. Don’t vote for him. But don’t criticize people for standing by their beliefs (which is exactly what letting one’s religion inform their politics is), when you do exactly the same thing every time you vote or engage in political activity.
commented 2015-10-07 14:26:22 -0400
It would be very easy to accuse Ms. Semkiw of cherry picking the far out fringe loon-atik element of that crowd of Commies and Pinkos…but I think the scary reality is that it was merely a cross section…and worse, representative of how and why Wynne got Ontario…
The rest of the loon-atik fringe in Canada will be in denial of the vice.com bit – and it’s ramifications – or console each other with something like: ’It’s a Harper conspiracy’…or, ‘Justin would only use it for good’…
commented 2015-10-07 12:18:53 -0400
If Bill C51 was the issue I was voting on, I would vote NDP.
commented 2015-10-07 12:17:22 -0400
No Brian, they won’t read everyone’s email. What they could end up doing is targeting Canadians citizens who are critical of their governing. We see this in the US where the Obama administration consider any “right wing” group more dangerous to national security than possible Muslim terrorists.
commented 2015-10-07 11:16:34 -0400
Vote PM Harper, the only one who cares about Canada and Canadians. We need Bill C51!
commented 2015-10-07 10:52:35 -0400
So many people do not understand C51. It was a Bill that amended parts of our 2001 Anti-Terrorism Act (C-36 An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Official Secrets Act, the Canada Evidence Act, the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) Act and other Acts, and to enact measures respecting the registration of charities in order to combat terrorism) Bill C51 – to enact the Security of Canada Information Sharing Act and the Secure Air Travel Act, to amend the Criminal Code, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts) Bottom line is there was NO way to stop it, with the CON majority…. it was passing anyway. Trudeau tried to get amendments… got delay, discussion, and a few amendments. Mulcair’s yelling NO, which everyone seems to admire, got Nothing!!
commented 2015-10-07 10:48:17 -0400
In Canada we have the right to religious freedom and to worship who we please, even if we believe that the moon is made of blue cheese or that there is no God and we’re just an alien experiment. HOWEVER, when you mix that religion with politics and start making policies based on your religious beliefs, then it becomes MY business.

The Christian Alliance Church, Evangelical Christians, believe that the earth is only 6,500 years old and all scientists are liars.

They believe that without Israel there can be no Armageddon and therefore no Rapture. Therefore Israel must be protected at any cost.

They do no support abortion or homosexuality and believe that those who aren’t born-again are “lost.”

WHO is the most PROMINENT member of the Christian Alliance Church in Calgary, Alberta? Canada’s Prime Minster, Stephen Harper.

Does this help you to understand where a lot of the policies that have been made in Canada stem from?

I am NOT against ANYONE’S religious beliefs, but religion and politics don’t mix and what is happening in Canada right now is a perfect example of why it doesn’t.
commented 2015-10-07 10:48:01 -0400
Must get a hefty cheque from the Harpercons for spreading these lies.
commented 2015-10-07 04:08:57 -0400
It’s very encouraging to see the how grass root Canadians are participating in social discourse in the public square, insuring that their voices are heard. And did you hear the BRILLIANT responses to the complex questions of social and political import? WOW, we must be a nation GENIUSES!! I’m so proud!! It’s a good thing none of you can see me right now; I’m feeling pretty emotional at the moment. If only we could send these brilliant and noble minds to run the UN, all the World’s problems would be solved within weeks. Kind of warms the cockles of your heart and makes you proud to be Canadian, don’t it? (What are cockles?)
commented 2015-10-07 03:49:23 -0400
uhhhhh… many face palms….
commented 2015-10-06 21:28:15 -0400
Well the leftists’ interviewed here are definitely not an example of wisdom!
It is one thing to have issues that one can clearly speak out in protest however, this video is like a Mark Dice interview – not a dam one of those people knew what they were talking about! I wonder if they even knew in which direction the sky was?
commented 2015-10-06 19:07:58 -0400
Trudeaus’s support for C-51 is not a secret. He is no better than Harper in this regard.
It is a major reason I suspect I will vote for the NDP, although I’d rather still vote for Trudeau and mitigate the damage than give the riding to Harper and let him continue to rampage about with little regard for individual freedom.
commented 2015-10-06 18:23:48 -0400
Every time the government comes out with any law regarding security the people come out in full force and show their ignorance. The people in this video are all ignorant of facts and most importantly they have absolutely no clue of world events which scares the hell out of me. Before I go out in the public I inform myself of the information available and come to a conclusion like any rational person would, to go to any protest and not know what you are protesting really shows their ignorance. So before I get all excited and declare we are the next Nazi Germany I will inform myself of the facts and see if any of this fear mongering is even true, which I doubt very much. From the old adage, the only ones that have to worry about being spied on are the ones that are up to no good. Do you actually think the government will waste resources to read everyone’s email or listen on their phone? You would need a couple of million people just to go through the info everyday.
commented 2015-10-06 17:45:07 -0400
I agree Jay. CSIS and the RCMP already scare me. This bill gives them even more power. If anything a larger more rigorous regime of accountability for those organizations should have been included. Effectively the RCMP has no oversight except by Parliament which is far too slow and driven by partisan politics.
commented 2015-10-06 17:10:17 -0400
Does Trudeau have an IQ over 80? Wasn’t he saying 2 months ago the biggest threat to Canada was Ebola? That we should drop winter parkas on Syria? Could anyone imagine the waste of resources that would come with his leadership?
commented 2015-10-06 17:06:56 -0400
I am not sure I see the connection between the video and the headline, but just as those interviewed in the video are worried that Bill C-51 is a move toward a Hitler-style government, Trudeau’s lack of opposition to the bill reflects a dangerous complacency. All Canadians should be alarmed by Harper’s threat toward individual rights. Trudeau should be more outspoken or he will face a lot of opposition when he becomes Prime Minister.
commented 2015-10-06 16:43:25 -0400
I don’t want to be rude, but did any of those people that Marissa interviewed have an IQ over 80?
commented 2015-10-06 16:15:46 -0400
Yes Trudeau is gaining steam in the early October polls. His trend is up. Go figure.
commented 2015-10-06 14:52:00 -0400
Trudeau’s support of Bill C-51 proves he is not vigilant on Canadian’s right to privacy. C-51 is an affront to individual rights. Although “a premise Trudeau did not dispute” refers to Trudeau ignoring a Vice Canada question, the fact remains that Trudeau needs to be much more vocal in standing up for the protection of individual liberty. Stephen Harper’s disdain for individual liberty has been a body-blow to Canadian rights. Trudeau needs to get very far away from that mindset.
commented 2015-10-06 14:50:17 -0400
Kelvin makes a good point, if anyone wants a visual reference check out “Ape with an Ak 47” on youtube.
One of the first things that dour Stalinest in the Whitehouse did after he was sworn in was issue an executive order to all law enforcement and military entities in the United States to monitor Christian and Conservative groups as potential domestic threats.
commented 2015-10-06 14:45:41 -0400
As an addendum I am against things in the anti-terrorist la myself- there is not sufficient safeguards against abuses of authority – I think we need to give our police agaencies abilities to identify, track and arrest Islamic terrorists it but it has to be retooled to absolutely ensure al constitutional civil guarantees and safety checks are in place. I read the draft bill, I think there is too much undefined vagueness in interpreting sections that it will be abused (probably not by Harper but likely some later Leftists regime with fascist tendencies) – so if Harper will not retool it it should be dropped.

That said, interesting but not unexpected response from the confused reactionaries on the left who always seem to populate these pathetic theatrical political street displays.
Some clarification for the zombie left.

1) This bill threatens constitutional rights, not “democracy” – both soviet Russia and Cuba have “democracies” – democracy is no guarantee of rights it is mob rule – it is 2 wolves and a chicken voting on what to have for dinner – only constitutional restraints limiting the majority’s despotism over the individual can safeguards rights – you would think a rights activist would know this ,but I guess real rights are no longer taught at commie martyrs university.

2) It does not oppress indigenous people any more than other Canadians but if terror cells which plan deadly attacks against Canadians exist hiding in the first nations community we need a way to single them out and prosecute them – obviously that does not sit well with the radical lefties who enflame and enable native terrorism to do the dirty work these white urban Marxists have no stomach for.

3) Cops also talk on cell phones and radios and use computers when they are driving, things which will now get you a fine or jail – so yes, this exemption of police from the laws they enforce is a glimpse of the police state in backwater banana republic cesspools – the main proponent for this police exemption from law is the provincial highway traffic act – not federal jurisdiction and not criminal law – these abuses are mostly the doing of progressive left wing provincial regimes. But reason is always a casualty in the frenzy of a hate Harper public hate-in.
commented 2015-10-06 14:17:30 -0400
If you think the old man was a bad leader you ain’t seen nothin yet. The west won’t have a hope in hell. We will have to leave. Giving this dickhead power to govern is like giving a monkey a machine gun.
commented 2015-10-06 14:09:28 -0400
For any Canadian to whom this is not their first election, it is common knowledge that what a liberal says before the election is meaningless. The LPC genetic pattern dictates that they either hide an agenda which is unpalatable to the majority and enact it after they gain power or they lie and do the opposite of what they promise (like raise taxes after “guaranteeing” they won’t, or institute wage and price controls after they campaign against it, or spend $2billion on gun control they said would cost $2 million or cut health care funding to 12% from their required 50% after calling for universal health care.) So Liberals lie more profusely and more routinely that other brands of politicians – and Truedough is no exception.

Another thing I have observed about Liberals is that although they admonish “the evil gun culture and militarization of American imperialism” they sure as hell are in love with its fascist police state reflexes – they love anything that expands the police state and view all law enforcement and surveillance agencies as their personal army to enforce their statist socialist agenda. Witness the abuses of the CSA, IRS,ATF in the scandals of the Obama administration if you want to see what another unaccountable out of control Federal Liberal regime will do here.
commented 2015-10-06 14:04:34 -0400
When Sheila Copps was minister Status of Women wanted power of surveillance of the internet, power to lay charges under 319 of the Criminal Code and power to censor any sites with anti feminist content.

What I found was the best response was to be defiantly in their face…..say what I thought….often rudely….and continually demand the disbanding of Status of Women…..guess what…..they decided to ignore me instead………:-)
commented 2015-10-06 13:54:24 -0400
And you can be certain that some of the people who post here will be closely monitored.

Socialists are also control freaks – never kid yourself.

It would almost seem as if anyone speaking out against a socialist could end up behind bars.

Sound far fetched?

Those who deny climate change are already getting close to being jailed, as the hard line climate change Nazis are now demanding you be jailed for speaking out against their policies.

History has proven to be the defining factor – all you have to do is look back to see what has put people in jail in their countries in this past century.

All it would take is for trudope or the citizen of france to start the ball rolling.

I honestly believe in my heart – especially with the BS folks in the supreme court that it could happen.

And who will be the biggest and most shrill deniers of this?

The same people who will do it if they are in power and they deem it right to do so.

The socialists.

After all – “we” know what is best for you!
commented 2015-10-06 13:27:16 -0400
Typical of the kind of people who vote for Socialism. Gormless, Brainless, Idiots.