May 22, 2015

Trudeau is the one hiding from debates, not Harper

Brian LilleyArchive

The debate over the debates for the next election is becoming quite silly.


For some reason, many media outlets are portraying the Conservative rejection of the broadcast consortium’s debate proposal as meaning Stephen Harper is running away from debating NDP Leader Tom Mulciar and Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau.

Let’s be clear on something:

Due to the Conservative Party’s position, there will be at least five election debates this fall, not two like in the last election.

Additionally, Harper has already agreed to four proposed debates – a Maclean's debate, a Globe and Mail/Google/YouTube debate, a Munk Centre debate and a French debate hosted by the TVA network.

Mulcair has agreed to all of those, plus the consortium debates and has said he will debate Stephen Harper anywhere he can.

Trudeau has only agreed to debates hosted by the broadcast consortium.

The leader of the third party has also issued demands, more demands than the prime minister or leader of the official opposition.

So now that the facts have been laid out, who is really avoiding the debates?

Face facts:

The main broadcasters are throwing a hissy fit because they have lost control of the debates. They can still air any of the debates that have been set but that isn’t enough.

They want to run the whole show, select the moderator, the terms, the questions and the awful set.

(Why are the sets always so bad...?)

It is being portrayed as some kind of national crisis by some, an idea I just don’t get.

This morning I was on the radio with the usually level headed Phil Johnson at AM 1150 in Kelowna for our weekly political chat. Phil was in high dungeon that Harper would skip the consortium debate.

As we can read over at Huffington Post, the NDP weren’t too happy with the first proposal either. They didn’t want to have the debate at a university, saying that would not be a neutral venue.

What really isn’t neutral is the coverage coming from Canada’s major broadcasters. These supposedly neutral observers and imparters of straight news are now using their bully pulpits to try and force the Conservatives to agree to their debate terms.

Look, I don’t care who hosts the debates. Let’s just have some and please: let them be better than the last several I’ve been forced to watch, often in person, as I have covered them.

If the broadcaster consortium really just wants to make sure as many people as possible get to see the debates as possible then they will air the debates put on by other media outlets. Otherwise, they are simply acting like spoiled children that are not getting their way.

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commented 2015-06-08 17:13:20 -0400
I ..and most knowlegeable Canadians would love to see an audit of Justin Trudeau’s Liberal account.Where did the money come from to rebuild a bankrupt party only a few years ago? Can I make a good guess?
commented 2015-05-24 11:18:37 -0400
Michael, great idea! Focus on one subject per debate, and keep out the moderators, as they only interfere. It’s like having a fly buzzing around your head, when you are trying to eat. They are very annoying and distracting, which I believe is their secret purpose. I can feel JT shaking in his boots right now, at the thought of trying to stay focused on one issue, long enough not to look like he is in way over his head!
commented 2015-05-23 19:05:43 -0400
The more debates the better. Each debate could have separate theme, ie. the economy, our place in the world( the U.N., the fight against ISIL, Nato, etc.), social issues, healthcare. Instead of the current system where only a few questions are asked and time does not allow for more than scripted answers and swipes at each other, there would be more in depth interaction between the leaders and some real insight into their positions and a chance for the other leaders to challenge those ideas.
commented 2015-05-23 16:26:34 -0400
Trudeau, debate, looser. Trudeau masturbate, winner.
commented 2015-05-23 16:00:46 -0400
I think it is great that if Justin shows up he will have to stand on his own 2 feet and not have the consortium there to help him look good and the PM look bad. I think he and his team are running scared, because they know that his lack of ability to run our country is going to be shown in brilliant colours when he is ddebating oyr PM.
commented 2015-05-23 13:20:52 -0400
I am hoping that Prime Minister Harper and his team will stand firm against the “Consortium”. Perhaps “The Rebel” should stage a debate with those political party leaders who want a “real” debate, and not one scripted by CTV, CBC, and Global “wannabe” pundits.
commented 2015-05-23 10:01:13 -0400
Rick Plesnik said, “There was quite the rabid feedng frenzy going on, until it was shown there was no basis of the reporting and the matter was suddenly and quietly dropped.”

Well I am glad someone else noticed that. I have been noticing this trend happen since Feb 2006 when Harper took office.

There have been from left wing “pundits” and the MSM accusation after accusation leveled at Harper one right after another since 2006 and almost all turned out to be false, but you never hear an apology or a retraction from the left. The accusation just quietly fades away. But it actually does not really fade away altogether because it leaves an overall impression on those who do not follow politics closely (most of the population) that Harper is doing all these things wrong, but is not at all.

I have lost count on how many people that when they said to me they would not vote for Harper I asked why not, they could not give me an answer to anything specific.

This is a dirty game played by the left, make accusations and make them loud and public, but when proven false, hush up it and then go on to the next accusation. I have never seen the right do anything like that. Just more leftie creepiness.
commented 2015-05-23 02:47:09 -0400
It is a plot alright, but not by Harper Conservatives.
commented 2015-05-23 01:42:03 -0400
5 debates , that’s good. I wonder how many Trudeau followers/potential voters , will have the attention span to watch any of them, never mind get off the couch to vote. The consortium has absolutely vilified Harper, so having the full media spectrum involved, makes perfect sense. We don’t need the CBC picking a moderator. The debates with Romney and Obama were completely kiboshed by the American consortium. And look how that ended.
commented 2015-05-22 23:27:19 -0400
I hope PM Harper will be circulating a lot from now and till the election, letting the public know exactly what the socialists have been up to, and what their plans are to undermine our economy. The only way the conservatives can counter the attacks from all the lunatics, will be to speak in public, as much as he can. Harper is the only leader in this pack, and I am hoping and praying that he can pull another majority. If he doesn’t, we all know the wolves will form a coalition, and then it will impossible to get anything productive done in this country.
commented 2015-05-22 22:50:27 -0400
Brian. It would be nice to see you on one of those debate panels asking some serious questions.
commented 2015-05-22 18:53:46 -0400
i would like to see comrade citizen robespierre get rid of the hyphenated citizenship.. i dont trust somebody with dual passports as our
commented 2015-05-22 18:44:35 -0400
Sun News was never part of the MSM – Sun News poked fun at the MSM – called them the media party.
This 1150am a$$ clown trying to tie Brian to the MSM is just one of the liberal pig agenda pushers.

troodo is just making the debate “deal” so difficult to resolve that is just may not happen – problem is that troodo and the liberal pigs are a fringe party.
commented 2015-05-22 18:37:50 -0400
Lyn said: “Way to go Brian! This is a rather different scenario than is being painted in the MSM.” Indeed. Remember the flap in the Socialist Media that went on for practically months about Harper taking Communion at a Church Service? There was quite the rabid feedng frenzy going on, until it was shown there was no basis of the reporting and the matter was suddenly and quietly dropped. Socialist Media making things up to skewer whomever they don’t like!
commented 2015-05-22 18:30:43 -0400
demonstrates justy’s kweebekwas mentality that they deserve “special” treatment
commented 2015-05-22 18:29:18 -0400
synonyms for consortium ….mob, gang, outfit, cartel my personal favourite is plunderbund……evan solomons head has imploded.. i loved when he tried to accuse cory of still getting paid by pkp…. desperation grips the sucker
commented 2015-05-22 18:25:38 -0400
He certainly didn’t take after his father when it come to intelligence! I can’t even stand to listen to him speak; it’s like listening to a 2-year old, only 2-year olds are more intelligent! He is such a wimpy speaker, it’s embarrassing to listen to him. Harper will wipe the floor with him! And Tom will make sure he looks like an imbecile, so it will be quite entertaining.
commented 2015-05-22 18:07:37 -0400
The Conservatives said a long time ago that they were not going to play to the Media Party and would attend the 5 debates outlined and the NDP agreed with them. Of course the parties of least concern want debates hosted by their cheerleaders … and only those who have been censored or muzzled from asking difficult questions.
commented 2015-05-22 18:05:57 -0400
ctv in NS says Harper is just afraid. Steve Murphy has Harper all figured out…..pffft. Smh……… If any of the 3 are afraid, it would be JT and the entire party. We all know how well he does with making sense.
commented 2015-05-22 17:52:32 -0400
Frankly ,if we allow the parties and media to dictate the terms of an election public info event we will end up with more spin – scripted questions which only the pandering media obsesses over. Personally I think these debates do nothing to accomplish what a healthy democracy needs – we don’t need a group of smug political elites showing us what they are selling/gifting us, they need to interface with the public and be TOLD what our issues are and given a mandate only to solve these issues – any capital spending outside directly addressing that needs referenda.

Priorities for me(and the cause of most problems people have with government) has to do with the unsustainability of 2 things – social program liabilities and growing government – you can have one or the other but not both – I have been waiting many years to see a party/leader address these and offer a visionary plan to sustain core responsibilities and have government live within its means – I’ve yet to offer my support to any federal election agenda I’ve seen in decades. Part of the problem is the leaders/parties/media always debate what is important to them and most of the time that is divergent from what the majority of tax payers want.
commented 2015-05-22 17:43:29 -0400
Way to go Brian! This is a rather different scenario than is being painted in the MSM.
commented 2015-05-22 17:24:43 -0400
Seeing troodo debate would be a gong show and a disaster for the liberal pigs of Canada.

So the liberal pigs of Canada made up a few thousand conditions to a debate so, they have an excuse to not show up.

Smoke another fatty troodo – we know you’re good at that. Where’s gerald butthead in all this? Oh right, he rolls.
commented 2015-05-22 17:22:01 -0400
Trudope is considered by many to be nothing more than an off script airhead. What the Liberal Party and their friends in the Socialist “Consortium” Meda are afraid of is putting him into a situation they cannot control. Where he will open his mouth and confirm idiot status. As has happened a few times already. Thus far they have been able to control the message. Debates will likely catch a lot of interest from the voters. If the “Consortium” controls only two, it is unlikely the public will be presented with the real picture. Lots of snipped film on the editing room floor methinks. More debates at a variety of outlets will present a bigger picture of all Federal Leader Wannabes. The Liberals and the Socialist Media are terrified voters will get to see Trudope in an unfavourable manner! How else then would back room “advisor”, Gerald Butts get to implement his extremist environmental agenda on Canada as he previously did in Ontario? Is Ontario better off for this? The facts indicate otherwise.
commented 2015-05-22 17:06:40 -0400
“Reasonable people do not argue…..argumentative people are not reasonable”…..Lao-tzu

If it involves Tom Mulchair it is not a debate…it is a performance of kabuki theatre…..if it involves Justin Trudeau it is theatre of the absurd and living proof that “those that can do and those that can’t teach”.

Steven Harper attempting to put forward reason in such a “debate” will be a futile exercise in casting his pearls before swine.

I doubt very much that anyones vote will be changed or swayed by this process.