July 08, 2015

Trudeau promises fundamental transformation to native leaders

Brian LilleyArchive

In 2008 Barack Obama promised that if elected he would fundamentally transform America.

Without using those words Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is promising the same. On Tuesday, Trudeau promised aboriginal leaders to completely revamp the way Canada is governed. I look at Trudeau's promises, explain what they mean and ask if Trudeau himself understands the ramifications of his words. 


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commented 2015-07-13 10:54:16 -0400
Liza, the key documents are Justice Berger’s two reports (interim and final) on the failure to implement Article 23 of the Nunavut Agreement; the Deloitte study on the cost (social and econonic) of not implementing Article 23: and two AGO evaluations of INAC. I’ll try to find links.
commented 2015-07-13 00:59:36 -0400
Too funny, missed putt by 4 feet, gratuitous applause.
commented 2015-07-12 20:49:05 -0400
I would be interested to read who said this in context, "… but that the Feds were NOT implementing in good faith, jeopardizing the “Honour of the Crown”. " if you could direct me to a link? I am coming up empty handed.

I suppose accountability is in the eye of the beholder. so to speak. Many( not all) bands don’t even keep proper books. I don’t say that to insult, but it has been shown. How do you give money to 600 bands for education, for example, and not have each one of them be accountable for their take?

While I think assimilation into working society is essential, I do not believe that it means one has to give up their culture. I do however have to ask how “…allowance for delivery of basic curricula in relevant Aboriginal languages”, is going to help graduation numbers or get anyone a job. Strengthened science and math sounds good though. The goal is to compete.
commented 2015-07-12 18:52:25 -0400
Welfare are either being dismantled around the world or are collapsing under their own weight. This country can not escape the same, no matter what the social engineers of the welfare state tell you. The Indians are already sucking 14 billion a year out of economy for no production. That and the rest of the welfare schemes in the country are going to have come to an end, and soon.
commented 2015-07-12 10:33:13 -0400
Fundamental change: old Sarcee phrase meaning “Politician’s words for lot more of the same”.
commented 2015-07-12 07:49:19 -0400
Wrong on several points, Liza. Accountability on BOTH sides was a huge issue during the negotiations, and all parties agreed to an outcomes based accountability framework for each of the planning and funding streams, and for the Accord overall, with a full evaluation in the fifth year preceding renewal. Since “the chiefs” seem to bear the brunt of your suspicion, I should remind you that the Auditor General, Deloitte (in an independent study) and Justice Thomas Berger (in an other study jointly commissioned by the Feds and Nunavut Tunngavik) reported that First Nations and Inuit were honoring their sides of Claims and Treaties, but that the Feds were NOT implementing in good faith, jeopardizing the “Honour of the Crown”.
As you no doubt know, the Accord was did not, and could not, describe detailed, year by years programs, any more than Kennedy’s commitment to a lunar mission described detailed blueprints. It set goals and targets, identified strategies, and defined the scope of federal/territorial/indigenous accountability. In several cases (e.g., in the area of employment and training) it built on and subsumed existing, proven programs (so the eye-popping total is a little misleading – much of that funding was already committed.)
In terms of education, the direction proposed by the Accord (adoption of baseline standards, allowance for delivery of basic curricula in relevant Aboriginal languages, strengthened science and math curricula, etc.) ran directly against the Conservative policy vision of the day (integrate “native” schools into the provincial system, route money to the provinces, and wash the federal government’s hands of the “problem”).
commented 2015-07-11 23:57:57 -0400
The Kelowna Accord was a 10 year plan, to close the gap in the quality of life between Aboriginals and the rest of us. Martin was never clear on a number, but it was billions over the 10 years. There seemed to be no expectation for any responsibility or accountability from Chief’s. It was an open ended money stream expected from Ottawa, and a straight jacket for a decade, with still no accountability.

A lot that was in the Accord with regard to water, living conditions, the Harper gov. has tried to address, not always with full success , but it wasn’t for lack of trying. I read somewhere that had the Accord gone through, the Attawapaskat housing crisis would never have happened. We all know that is not a reasonable statement, the details of that situation are well known. To say Spence and band leaders have no culpability is not fair, and I’m only speaking of the mismanagement and not the conscious pocket filling at the expense of band members.

The Accord didn’t address or even have clear solutions for making education more efficient, with the goal being, bringing up standards, and producing kids able to compete. We are still clearly unable to agree on that road. I tended to lean toward Atleo’s take on educational upgrading for Native youth. None of the Chief’s, or not enough of them seemed to agree, and Atleo left, frustrated. Harper refused to throw more money at it then, as he does now, until expectations and outcome are defined. I’m okay with that.

I don’t see that the Accord would have solved much and would have tied things up for a decade had it gone through, with little change from the status quo.
commented 2015-07-11 13:49:19 -0400
“What, I’m supposed to be telepathic?”
No. You appear to be a reasonably informed person debating Aboriginal issues in a political forum. If you didn’t know before, now you do.
I don’t know what you actually know about the Kelowna Accords.
commented 2015-07-11 10:36:32 -0400
“That’s been the Liberal platform since 2013.”
What, I’m supposed to be telepathic? He never alluded or referenced this directly. For all we know he could have been talking about some vision quest he received last week at a pot festival. He’s selling platform to the public – say what you mean and cut the superfluous drama, we’re all adults here – at least the audience was.
The Kelowna accords had one good element (Native educational subsidy) the rest was give away largess which would return no measurable positive change and perpetuate the culture of reliance.
commented 2015-07-11 09:23:59 -0400
“The Kelowna Accord was dropped because it was flawed.”
In what way was it flawed?
commented 2015-07-11 01:09:48 -0400
The way things are in our society in this decade or so? I would not be in the least bit interested in any kind of Native studies being introduced into the public school system in a mandatory way. I don’t see how it could not be white guilt trip based at this time. And it is not a healthy take off point for anybody.
I heard a local Chief going on about what he thinks should be mandatory in public schools on the Indian story as a part of the reconciliation package and it gave me chills. Too much weirdness going on right now to be even discussing it.
Too much apologising for ever and ever, amen.

Justin given the chance would be quite comfortable keeping Aboriginals in their cubby holes and making the rest of us pay for it for eternity.

I would like to see a way to make things right , a negotiated ‘right’ once and for all, then give all Aboriginals full rights and responsibilities like the rest of Canadians. If you don’t want to sell your land to developers don’t.

The Kelowna Accord was dropped because it was flawed, and perpetuated the “status quo” but on steroids.
commented 2015-07-11 01:06:53 -0400
Donald Craig said, “Every one of them talks about Canada as foreign place far far away.”

I know it is not everyone, because I know some, but some who call themselves" First Nations", do not consider themselves to be Canadian, consider assimilation to be the same as cultural genocide( which I completely disagree with) , and want “Europeans” to go back where they came from, as if we don’t have the same right to be here. We all have to live together and no one is going anywhere, so it would seem to me the sooner we are all completely equal under ONE law of the land, the better off everyone will be. Keeping ones culture is up to the group in question and really shouldn’t have anything to do with the gov.

The Indian industry will suit Justin’s purposed just fine.
commented 2015-07-11 00:53:48 -0400
Maybe Justone should be reviewing the laws and impositions his famous dad made on us here in western Canada … idiot doesn’t quite make the grade for this French idiot!
commented 2015-07-10 21:36:15 -0400
Justin has no idea as to what he means when he makes a speech. He probably has no idea what Country he is in or what the Position is that he is striving for—- The poor Guy is Cracker City.
commented 2015-07-10 15:11:44 -0400
“That was never clearly stated – just nebulous promises.”
That’s been the Liberal platform since 2013.
commented 2015-07-10 15:05:32 -0400
“Every one of them talks about canada as foreign place far far away.”
Really? You’ve spoken to every one of them?
commented 2015-07-10 14:38:54 -0400
Could you expand on why you view its reintroduction as a policy direction as a “blank”?
That was never clearly stated – just nebulous promises
commented 2015-07-10 14:25:32 -0400
the bottom line has become…FNs no longer consider themselves to be canadian. if they ever did.. every one of them talks about canada as foreign place far far away.. keep those cheques flowing..
commented 2015-07-10 14:22:26 -0400
Could you expand on why you view its reintroduction as a policy direction as a “blank”?
commented 2015-07-10 14:19:39 -0400
Yes I am Terry.
commented 2015-07-10 11:08:31 -0400
Bill, are you familiar with the process that led to the creation of the Kelowna Accord, and with the structure it proposed?
commented 2015-07-10 08:20:05 -0400
I see the young dauphin has put his drama training to use in selling another vacuous/nebulous policy statement. This episode was more like the rehearsals for a bad TV political sitcom than a legit policy announcement – speaking of which, whaddee say anyhow? It was tortuous slashing through all the maudlinisms, banal clichés and stereotype stigmatism t get at the real agenda – I come up blank on that, it was just Justin likes natives, vote for me.
commented 2015-07-10 08:19:04 -0400
Trudeau, Marin, Harper, Chretien, Mulcair…it doesn’t matter one iota. Nothing positive is going to happen as long as chiefs, politicians, bureaucrats, lawyers, etc. are in the picture. The people running things have too much of a vested interest in maintaining the status quo…even if it means making things worse.
Prediction: more money, more court decisions, more animosity, a worsening situation for all concerned. There is no one with the balls or the honesty to stand up and say what has to be said: because of their location, social disfunction, corruption, and an almost total lack of meaningful present or future employment opportunities, residents who choose to stay on a majority of Canada’s Reserves, and their children, are doomed.
commented 2015-07-09 22:20:04 -0400
I was merely curious as to where you were going with your rambles……………..
commented 2015-07-09 21:17:05 -0400
Rick; shrug. You wanted to know what I thought. That’s what I thought.
commented 2015-07-09 19:24:30 -0400
Terry said: "The Conservatives dismissed the Accord as “a wish list written on the back of a napkin” To be fair, that was the bulk of Liberal Gov’ts policies of the day. Adscam was predicated on it. Harder to produce evidence. As for the Kelowna Accord, yeah sounded great until one started digging into the fine print (or lack therof). The press release at the time pretty much summed it up. The Liberal Gov’t was promising to throw millions more taxpayer dollars at Aboriginal Affairs without having first determined who, what, and where the monies were to be spent. In other words, the classic Liberal bribe using other people’s money (ours) to keep themselves in power. You may be right that had the Liberals regained Gov’t they may very well have reneged on the deal. Liberals of the time were more focussed on using aforementioned monies to enrich themselves and their friends than anything productive for the country. As for Justin Trudeau. Really, how could a rich trust fund kid from Montreal raised in luxury possibly understand the plight of an aboriginal living on a reserve in abject poverty, substandard housing and services, lack of education, and under the whims and auspices of a domineering Band Chief and Council? Trudeau’s promises could easily morph into anothe Adscam enriching Liberal connected individuals while doing nothing to address underlying issues in Aboriginal Affairs. Another Liberal bribe if nothing else!
commented 2015-07-09 17:09:32 -0400
I just do not understand why the AFN turned down a $1 billion last year from PM Harper to fund FN education, but seem to have no problem accepting money from Trudeau if he is elected? Does the AFN really think Trudeau is going to deliver on all of his promises? They are even bigger fools if they believe Trudeau is their chosen one.
commented 2015-07-09 15:11:35 -0400
I have one thing to say about Trudeau’s comments. FUDDLE DUDDLE!!!!
commented 2015-07-09 09:55:57 -0400
The White Paper 1969 In spite of all government attempts to convince Indians to accept the white paper, their efforts will fail, because Indians understand that the path outlined by the Department of Indian Affairs through its mouthpiece, the Honourable Mr. Chrétien, leads directly to cultural genocide. We will not walk this path. —Harold Cardinal, The Unjust Society
commented 2015-07-09 09:35:39 -0400
All righty, then. Incidentally, I’d love to get some informed feedback on these perceptions, which are basically born of personal experience. We get a lot of simple, ideological ranting here, but if there’s anyone out there with an informed and opposing view, I’d love to hear it.
Martin, in my opinion, was a more conservative PM than Mulroney in fiscal and regulatory affairs (he actually started much of the dismantling of federal monitoring and regulatory agencies that Harper gets blamed for. And at the beginning of his term, he was pretty much in synch with Chretien – lip service to honoring the claims and self governments, negative pressure in the background through the DM and ADM levels. Once again, there was some sleazy mock-consultation with AstroTurf “native” groups funded specifically to validate Liberal party Aboriginal policy.
But something changed. I’ve never known exactly Martin’s Road to Damascus moment was (and I’d love to hear about it if anyone else has thoughts). But at some point he decided that he was going to make the resolution of Aboriginal issue a priority, and part of his legacy. And his government began this lengthy process that for the first time actually engaged ALL the First Nations representative organizations, the Métis, the Inuit, all the provincial and territorial premieres. And with the exception of one Aboriginal sector (in Quebec), those players for the first time agreed on a framework, targets and a method for political, social and economic restructuring of the relationships between Canada and the Indigenous peoples.
From a process perspective, it was well done: and for the first time everyone was on the same page in terms of goals, methods and and budget.
The Conservatives dismissed the Accord as “a wish list written on the back of a napkin”, and when the Liberal government fell, they pronounced it dead, and promised to bring in their own Aboriginal policy. In the 2006 election, they literally had NO Aboriginal platform at all.
I don’t think any of us trust politicians of any stripe, and it’s entirely possible that a reelected Liberal government might have scaled back, or reneged altogether, on the Kelowna Accord. I really don’t now. But flawed as it as, I though it represented a breakthrough at the time, and I’ve always wondered what would have happened.
Next chapter – the Harper years.