April 22, 2016

Trudeau reveals why he’ll use undemocratic methods to IMPOSE voting reforms on Canadians

Brian LilleyArchive

While speaking at a campus gathering recently, Justin was asked a simple question by one student who wanted to know why Trudeau wouldn’t commit to holding a referendum to give all Canadians a chance to decide whether they want to change our voting system or not. His answer was long and rambling yet revealing in some ways. 

First, Trudeau claimed that the Liberals put forward a very clear position on changing how we vote in their platform and based on that, he believes they were given a mandate to just move ahead with whatever his government decides. Even if you believe this bogus claim, it doesn’t mean that Canadians who voted for Trudeau thought they wouldn’t be consulted about what form that change would take.

He claimed that Canadians responded “positively” and “massively” to their platform position for this to be the last election under the “first past the post” system. The Liberals received 39% of the vote which, truth be told, is a little bit less than what the Harper Conservatives received in 2011. Can you imagine how Trudeau or any opposition MP would have reacted if Harper had just gone ahead and changed our voting system without a referendum?

And let’s be honest, the Liberals didn’t “sweep the country” based on their promise to change how we vote. Primarily, they got the votes of people who wanted Stephen Harper out and those who wanted bigger cheques from government.

Trudeau went on and on for a while and then he gave the real reason he doesn’t want a referendum.

Quite simply - he’s afraid he’ll lose.

It’s true that referendums on changes to voting systems in provinces across the country have usually been rejected but doesn’t that reflect the will of the people? If you truly believe in democracy and want democratic reform, then you don’t just let the elites at the top decide how the system will work.

Justin likes to go on about how we can get a better system but he has yet to tell us what that is.

Besides, I would argue that Canada has one of the best systems in existence with our Westminster Parliamentary system.

What more does Justin want? Other than the fact that like his father, he simply doesn’t like Canada’s British roots.

If that’s true, he should just admit it and let the people decide if they agree.

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commented 2016-07-16 11:26:01 -0400
Trudeau went on and on for a while and then he gave the real reason he doesn’t want a referendum.

Quite simply – he’s afraid he’ll lose.
commented 2016-07-04 16:34:19 -0400
This article has no facts in it. Harper only ever had 38%(probably less because that is not factoring in how many votes the Cons cheated with: and they were caught cheating on several occasions and “won” two elections by outright cheating). We have recently seen what a referendum in the UK has accomplished, almost destroying their economy overnight. Fortunately for all Canadians the worst most corrupt Canadian dictator has been removed from office, I guess he ran out of ways to cheat. As for the new voting rules the committee that is studying it and will be making the final recommendation is very evenly balanced and can not impose anything because the liberals don’t have a majority on this committee.
commented 2016-04-25 16:34:18 -0400
It this the ‘Former Glory’ ?——Ron. Or—-maybe you are to referring the valiant Canadian Peace keeper—— Romeo Dallaire. They all made Canada Proud. https://youtu.be/p6fq7DjMsqU
commented 2016-04-25 15:31:48 -0400
“No, don’t say it is so! Trudeau smart? gosh! holy doodle!…….. He was smart enough to remove a corrupt dictator from office and restore Canada to its former glory.”

Ah priceless, that is the best laugh I have had all day. Junior didn’t need the unions nor the third party ads nor outside support etc. Junior did it all by himself with his winning smile and head of hair. He single handedly removed Harper. Thanks Ronnie you make me laugh. Please keep posting, never stop, we need the amusement.
commented 2016-04-25 15:22:47 -0400
You think he is gone Ronnie? Man are you gullible Ronnie. All of the old boy’s club still have their fingers in the pie. Silly boy.
commented 2016-04-25 10:34:20 -0400

Bob Rae is NOT in the federal liberal government. The papers you read must be old dank and dusty. Please try to keep up.
commented 2016-04-25 10:29:07 -0400
RAE FRASER commented 1 day ago
This voting reform is the only thing about Justin that scares me. He is very smart or very naive.

No, don’t say it is so! Trudeau smart? gosh! holy doodle!…….. He was smart enough to remove a corrupt dictator from office and restore Canada to its former glory.
commented 2016-04-25 04:38:21 -0400
Good thing Harper isn’t tinkering with how voting is done or all the Jay Kellys/Sean Pensons (snowflakes) would have really hurt feelings right now
commented 2016-04-24 13:33:42 -0400
Hyacinth. Good points all…….however nothing is impossible if the will is there!
commented 2016-04-24 12:11:16 -0400
Trudy is not smart enough to make this stuff up. He is the wind up doll programmed to do Liberal double speak and obfuscation. One must look at the Liberal old boys club to see his true masters. Cretien et al are still pulling the strings and idiots like Harry Butt are along for the power.
commented 2016-04-24 03:31:58 -0400
Justin makes me sick with his rambling bullshit and his smug look that makes it look like he really thinks he’s intelligent with what he says. He’s a frickin dipshit that has no common sense thoughts. He works on ideology and speaks in forked tongues of vagueness that no one really knows what he means, but it sounds good to stupid people. Apparently we have about 39% stupid people in Canada.
commented 2016-04-24 03:17:36 -0400
China? Can’t comment on that John, don’t follow communist regimes only if a headline pops up in the papers I read. You aren’t being fair to Harris, he had a whack of manure to wade through left by the previous gov, he had Bob Raes’ mess to clean up, now Boob, sorry, Bob, is in the fed Lib gov, he screwed up a province now has a hand in screwing up the entire country. “Not that I support the Liberal party, but they had to clean up the mess left by the far-right Tories that have no social conscious and no means for people to rise up the ladder.” Priceless, thanks for the chuckle, the Liberal Party were the creators of the majority of messes in Canada not the cleaning agent. Anyway, I am beyond tired, need sleep. Been a slice but time to turn off the computer.
commented 2016-04-24 03:12:56 -0400
Also, Liberals and Conservatives are pro-corporate. Corporate tax rates are lower in Canada than almost all developed nations.

As for state funded elections, how else can we claim to support democracy when we are hypocritical?

We are therefore not for free and fair elections where we have a meritocracy.

Also even though I am not Conservative does not mean that I do not want the system to improve. I won’t pick the lesser of evils since I know what I want which is a system where people are well-served and where jobs are plenty for the young and where stats are real.

I also value non-interventionism and truth in politics and better systems.

So, I just do not want the status quo.

Voting should also not just be once every 2 to 4 years. It has to be all the time so then people can truly put their elected officials to account.
commented 2016-04-24 03:08:56 -0400
The CBC never brings on the 20 minor parties, along with CPAC or TVO.

Which is why the politicians are going against their duties to allow for free and fair elections. They are therefore going against what they promise before, during and after elections.

Unlike you, I saw the Toronto Centre by-election when I assisted a candidate during that election. Only the mainstream CON/LIB/NDP were allowed on TVO. I say what about the 8 to 10 other candidates.

It seems to me that is how unfair the system is.

To me CBC is not the problem but who sits on the board and the fact that they do not cover all news along with CPAC, TVO and other networks. Rebel misses too much as well. Networks must try to cover everything including issues people would not expect.
commented 2016-04-24 02:59:27 -0400
John, there has never been any true transparency in any government in any country, that is a myth, a fallacy. Number one rule of politics is that you only tell on a need to know basis and according to politicians we little peons should know very little therefore are told as little as possible.

Ha, don’t get me started on corps. I love the Liberal line that “oh corps are ever so bad lets raise their taxes”. In Ontario Wynne has shown great favoritism to large corps and let the moderate to small business suffer and jump thru tons of hoops to stay in business while giving large tax breaks, grants, and funding to select large corps. Funny how when a conservative does that it is ever so bad, but when the Liberals do it then it is a good thing.

“Which is why I want I want state funded elections and no money in politics and positive ads to demonstrate what all the parties are.” We already have that, its known as the Liberal mouthpiece – the CBC. State funded is a very bad idea. I’ve yet to see something that was tangible and beneficial to all (not just a select minority) that is totally state funded.

“The best way to fix the system is to have one type of justice where if you do something wrong you pay.” Seems rather idealistic. The standard is so skewed now through generations of abuse I cannot conceive of such a notion. i.e: the witch hunt over Duffy while crickets over Harb.
commented 2016-04-24 02:51:23 -0400
I meant the Canadian Action party is 9/11 truth and they believe America is very much pro-imperialist and anti-third world and they believe that the US does not want any nation to determine its own sovereignty.
commented 2016-04-24 02:49:40 -0400
As for Klein, he was approved by the Bilderberg group much like Harris in Ontario.

These two men were corporatists and the debt never fell under Harris. It continued to climb.

What Argentina did in 2001 was they devalued their Peso and the debt fell, along with having state currencies.

I believe very much in barter, state currencies, and other methods outside the IMF controlled system.

China just launched a gold backed currency challenging US hegemony.

I believe in nationalism, regionalism and ways to counter the globalist order.

The party I support is very much 9/11, anti-war, anti-imperialist, anti-globalist and anti-colonialist.

As for Klein, his attempt created a structural deficit which could have been reduced by having an infrastructure regional bank by paying people in IOUs and provincial bond currencies.

Klein was very much a far-right neoliberal and that is how anti-globalists would describe him as. He was also a one industry man much like Harper that raised our currency and caused massive inflation after leaving office, along with a structural deficit and a hidden deficit for the Liberals to handle.

Not that I support the Liberal party, but they had to clean up the mess left by the far-right Tories that have no social conscious and no means for people to rise up the ladder.
commented 2016-04-24 02:45:18 -0400
Do not forget that accountability, transparency and openness are what most Canadian voters want, yet we are lacking from administrations dating back to Trudeau Sr. Back in 1971, parties were more MP independent, and now they are large corporate entities that do not want a fair and open and equal democracy.

I think Canadians deserve a choice in the area that matters most. Which is why I want I want state funded elections and no money in politics and positive ads to demonstrate what all the parties are.

Canadians should be educated in a non-partisan way.

Nationalism has its own scale just like neoliberalism and just like libertarianism and just like other ideologies as well.

How do you figure regulations were the problem when the system ran rampant and people selling the mortgages were not allowed to be vetted or checked and the system policed itself? It sounds like laissez faire if you ask me, or a system of no checks and balances, which is exactly what libertarian conservatives, laissez faire supporters and minarchist libertarians (anarcho-capitalists) want.

The best way to fix the system is to have one type of justice where if you do something wrong you pay.
commented 2016-04-24 02:32:02 -0400
John Sicliano Harper did not let in fanatics and hand them everything, he booted out war criminals and cut down what refugees get. He cut taxes and we had more freedom under him, and sorry but a youtube video is not some proof of what you say. It is someones opinion. Sorry to tell you we spend way too much cuts are all that can save us. Remember Ralph, or will you make up some BS about him as well? And stick your elitist superior act ,your ideas and that of your party are scary.
commented 2016-04-24 02:18:06 -0400
I realize that cuts alone won’t cut it John, sorry about the pun, cuts and reduced spending only goes so far. But Trudeau thinks spending is the answer and the budget will balance itself. His father’s attitude was “who really cares”, seems that is his as well.
“Canada needs to me more independence, state funded elections, proportional representation and an independent foreign policy. Without these things, Canada will continue to follow the US path to divisiveness and more war and less independence.” I agree Canada needs more independence, i.e.: holding onto the apron strings of the UN is a recipe for more invited disaster. But I disagree about proportional representation. The system we have in place has proved adequate. Rules should be changed though, i.e.: no third party interference at all, we keep seeing this meddling, public sector employees should not have a vote for they band together and make democracy a farcical event like the provincial election in Ontario (i.e. the OPP attack ad).
“to start paying down our debt.” won’t happen with Junior, the debt will keep climbing as in Ontario and Wynne.
commented 2016-04-24 02:03:18 -0400
This voting reform is the only thing about Justin that scares me. He is very smart or very naive.
commented 2016-04-24 01:58:40 -0400
For me Harper did a few good things like cutting some spending but I agree with moderate spending cuts. I actually believe that immigration should be based on whether the economy can support it.

As for the GST, the people should decide on economic, social, foreign policy and monetary policy.

I bet you did not know from your stopjustin site that the debt remained unchanged until 1974. We got off the Bank of Canada creating our money that year, and all parties whether PC/Lib/Con have left it as is and our debt has risen.

That proves like China this week that Canada needs a value based currency to increase our nation’s wealth and to start paying down our debt. Cuts alone will not fix it. In fact, this link about austerity proves it does not equal prosperity.


I believe in independence in the nation and its political system.

You may not know this or you may that a party’s intention is to defeat its opposition.

The whole notion of selling independent agencies to lead to private or partisan ones would lead to favouring one party over another.

Canada needs to me more independence, state funded elections, proportional representation and an independent foreign policy. Without these things, Canada will continue to follow the US path to divisiveness and more war and less independence.
commented 2016-04-24 01:49:10 -0400
John, Harper was the best of the lot that we could choose from. Was I happy with him? Some, like when he kept his promise to reduce the GST by 2% and actually kept his word. But there was a lot that I would have slapped him for if that was permissible, i.e.: he should have stacked the Senate before leaving because you know what Junior will do. He should have decreased immigration because Canada cannot support so many new Canadians that are a financial drain on the system. He should have cut spending more than he allegedly did, there are many small items I would have preferred that he deleted starting with the funding to CBC. But you can’t get what you want, no you can’t get what you want, but if you try some time you just might find you get what you need. Sorru, late in the day, am tired.
commented 2016-04-24 01:37:42 -0400
Well then debate because protectionism is the only way to me to avoid the inevitable Western collapse prior to Nov. 2016.

Another important issue is why do you only blame Trudeau for the debt and not Harper.

Be consistent!

Why do you care about immigration after Harper, when Harper increased it more than Martin/Chretien?

I am not fixated. Frankly debating with a mainstream supporter is like debating with someone constricted in their thinking. They are limited by their choice in media, limited by their ideas on foreign policy, and they need to cling to archaic ideas like WW2 to define themselves, and much of them play the leftard and reichist game. That is hard on a civic nationalist like me since I am against the left/right neoliberal model. My quick speaking and accurate speaking does show my level of intelligence and independent thinking.

That is a farcy from the lack of facts and dry nonsense spouted by the weak-minded and groupthink. A good thought and real debate would be welcome but sadly it is lacking. I am disappointed and I take pity!
commented 2016-04-24 01:29:59 -0400
I’m not, but interesting that you are so intent on blaming me. Fixate much?
commented 2016-04-24 01:28:01 -0400
Also, Hyacinth stop diverting the issue. What is with conservatives and getting side-tracked?
commented 2016-04-24 01:25:38 -0400
I am mentioning a minor party.

I am braver than you could ever be politically speaking.

I want the truth and not political liars governing over me.

If you like it, be free to but I posted the videos.

I led you to the videos, it is up to you to see the videos.
commented 2016-04-24 01:22:38 -0400
My my someone got their panties in a bunch. Sounds like you are running for office John, the election is over, and it seems that you are the shill son not I.
commented 2016-04-24 01:18:07 -0400
I mentioned the old PCs, Liberals and Tories.

Debt cannot and will not be paid down. They are suggesting we are not working hard enough.

Nationalism in the form of the Canadian Action party can do it.

I can post a few videos also showing Canadian Action proof of these things.

National Debt talk by the Canadian Action party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lW6MDkrnWc



These videos talk about debt, democracy and other issues as well. At least I talked about the terrible and shabby mainstream parties, but you go and defend the Conservative party even though they are part of them. The real question is you ignore all of what they have done yet you will not even be open-minded to purchase memberships from minor parties as an option? It sounds to me that no matter what anyone says you will always be a Tory shill. I can at least admit the mainstream are all part of the problem.

That is the difference and you have made your intention clear by picking the mainstream which will continue selling out Canada, indebting Canada, and they will continue selling out Canada and the Canadian Action party suggests the next generation will not have anymore jobs in the next gen.

That is the truth.

Shall I post some more?!
commented 2016-04-24 01:04:09 -0400
Elton Braun commented
“JT is without a doubt the most polarizing and decisive PM we’ve ever had. This ultra far left government is unsustainable.”

It’s a toss-up for me, which is/was worse, junior or senior. I still lean towards Daddy Dearest being the award winner because of the years of damage he did including his Multicultural Act and Charter of Rights which is slowly but methodically destroying Canada gaining speed that each year passes. Junior has done a lot of damage so far but it is still relatively early in his term.

“Harper added 180 billion to the national debt and countless provinces added more because the Conservatives starved the provinces during the financial crisis and afterwards. People cannot continue being lied to.”

Sure why not blame Harper, basically everyone likes to, it’s the standard blame line.


Apology accepted, thank you Calamity Marcy. I understand and can relate. Living through one Trudeau was bad, but two of them? Seriously, who actually thinks up these sadistic political satires that Canadians must suffer through? Dante Alighieri?