April 10, 2018

UK: London mayor Sadiq Khan may be reconsidering “Stop and Search” ban

Jack BuckbyRebel Contributor

 

Mayor Sadiq Khan is calling for the use of "stop and search" by police in London, following a huge spike in knife crime.

But all is not as it seems.

Khan had been against stop and search, but now he's calling for a "targeted" version. This modified tactic simply means that police will be allowed to stop someone only if they have prior intelligence — which is just normal policing!

Stop and search works. It's been proven in the States. And if Sadiq is serious about tackling crime, he should really u-turn on this policy.

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commented 2018-04-11 17:10:26 -0400
“Common Sense commented 4 hours ago
Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, London’s “crisis” is a steadily climbing crime rate you fool, not a temporary spike in crime. And no gun control, knife control, spoon control or paper clip control is going to stem it because criminals don’t register any of those, not even paper clips. No registry has ever, ever slowed crime, ever. You tried this angle in the Sun’s comments section before and were always cut to shreds because you can not attribute any reduction in gun crimes to a gun registry, not ever. You are still a fool and open your mouth yet again to remove all doubt. Give back the troll money, you are pathetic at it. "

“Steadily climbing?” Barring this two month spike, it’s been declining for decades. 734 murders from 2011 to 2017, vs 1134 from 1991-1997. Even if you take first quarter 18 numbers and multiply them by 4 – which is to say assuming the “crime wave” continues as it is, you get a rate that’s basically the norm for the early 90s… and still somewhat better than New York today (although NYC itself registered an incredible decline itself in that time, from 1500-2200 murders per year circa 1990 to ~300 today).

You know how gun control is working? These murders aren’t happening with guns. You’re right that perhaps they’re doing it anyway, but it also puts a huge hole in the narrative that the solution to crime is more guns. Since … again, the UK’s crime wave is a brief spike to what amounts to “average” for a safe American city, and that low crime rate occurs despite the fact that nobody has a gun.
commented 2018-04-11 12:48:30 -0400
Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, London’s “crisis” is a steadily climbing crime rate you fool, not a temporary spike in crime. And no gun control, knife control, spoon control or paper clip control is going to stem it because criminals don’t register any of those, not even paper clips. No registry has ever, ever slowed crime, ever. You tried this angle in the Sun’s comments section before and were always cut to shreds because you can not attribute any reduction in gun crimes to a gun registry, not ever. You are still a fool and open your mouth yet again to remove all doubt. Give back the troll money, you are pathetic at it.
commented 2018-04-11 12:30:21 -0400
“Common Sense commented 39 mins ago
Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, your statistical noise argument lacks one minor detail, there are no guns in London, they are not allowed, yet a place that has that provision in place has a murder rate comparable to one that allows guns. Obviously the no guns rule doesn’t matter, just like gun control advocates get blown out of the water with their argument that criminals will register guns and think twice about pulling the trigger as a result. You need to return the trolling money to your troll masters as they are not getting their monies worth, far from it. "

You sure about that, though? London’s crime rate has temporarily rivaled/exceeded that of New York’s, and it’s apparently a globally notable crisis. London’s murder rate is normally about 1/3 New Yorks’ (100 vs 300 a year) – and the basis of comparison, New York, is safer than America as a whole.

I reiterate, because this is important, this “crisis” is the observation that London has, for a short time, had a crime rate comparable to one of the safest cities in the US – and this is somehow an indication that their gun control laws dont work?
commented 2018-04-11 11:43:15 -0400
Andrew Gordo Steele Stephenson, your statistical noise argument lacks one minor detail, there are no guns in London, they are not allowed, yet a place that has that provision in place has a murder rate comparable to one that allows guns. Obviously the no guns rule doesn’t matter, just like gun control advocates get blown out of the water with their argument that criminals will register guns and think twice about pulling the trigger as a result. You need to return the trolling money to your troll masters as they are not getting their monies worth, far from it.
commented 2018-04-11 10:49:07 -0400
“Drew Wakariuk commented 8 hours ago
Andrew the FACT that Londons murder rate is higher than New York, you said it was nothing. I bet it stays that way or at least the same.”

And, I’ll point out, that that “fact” is actually untrue. It was accurate for February and February alone (a few March crimes in New York were upgraded to murder charges after the “statistic” was published) when London beat New York by precisely two murders. YTD New York has the easy lead, although the absolute number (57 vs 45) is still within the realm of statistical noise.

And, of course, New York is actually one of the safest major cities in the US, so you’re comparing two very safe cities.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-london-really-deadlier-than-new-york

“:Drew Wakariuk commented 8 hours ago
Andrew Stephenson what the hell is a verifiable site? SNOPES? LMAO!
Or how about this
”http://extranosalley.com/canada-has-lower-crime-rates-than-us/“>http://extranosalley.com/canada-has-lower-crime-rates-than-us/”

What about that one? When you have to “normalize” data to make it fit your claims (even though he admits that the background information needed to actually make the equivalence doesn’t exist), your argument quickly lapses into speculation – especially considering his normalization doesn’t seem to consider aboriginal crime, which is our biggest problem. He also neglects to distinguish categories of crime – gun and other violent crime is verifiably lower in Canada, but property crime is higher.

The rest of his disparity is differences in reporting, not actual underlying crime. For example, his definition of “violent crime”, which superficially places Canada much higher, misunderstands our definition of “assault”. Assault, level 1 and uttering threats are 60% of the cited “violent crimes”, and are not treated as such in the US – assault charges require actual physical harm to occur in the US, while that’s not true in Canada. Remove the differences in definition, and Canada’s high crime rates drop down considerably, to about on par with the US, and far fewer severe violent crimes. (note that, unlike his speculative demographic “normalization”, this disparity is objectively justifiable. The raw numbers and definitions are available in this case).

So, in essence, what you’ve provided is a great example of why you need to think critically. Superficially it looks legitimate, but it doesn’t stand up at all to detailed examination – and thus the conclusions being made (apparently, something about guns), are not actually supported by it.
commented 2018-04-11 09:32:31 -0400
To the Harvey’s

Great suggestions. Even hair spray can make an effective weapon if you have a lighter at the ready.
commented 2018-04-11 08:42:30 -0400
Keith and Helen, oven cleaner is another option.
commented 2018-04-11 02:39:34 -0400
Can’t get pepper spray, carry a shoulder bag and in it take with you a spray can of paint remover. You may be able to get at the auto store a product we call “Quick Start” these spray products and there are many others, just search them out, they will do nicely as replacements for pepper spray. Don’t have a gun or good knife, carry a hammer, a screw driver or a small saw. They are legal and are not classed as weapons, unless actually used as such. But if you have to use them and they save you from injury and the police get involved. Who cares? You are still uninjured and alive, your tool did its job and the police can suck wind.
commented 2018-04-11 02:12:54 -0400
Why does the damn left always go after peoples defenses while they are slack on criminals.
commented 2018-04-11 02:08:29 -0400
Andrew sorry could have been more specific instead of assuming you would make the London connection to a previous article. I was far too vague.
commented 2018-04-11 02:07:21 -0400
Andrew you said there rate was lower , it isn’t.
commented 2018-04-11 02:05:26 -0400
Andrew the FACT that Londons murder rate is higher than New York, you said it was nothing. I bet it stays that way or at least the same.
commented 2018-04-11 00:22:38 -0400
“Drew Wakariuk commented 6 hours ago
Andrew still gonna beek off about stats when they do not support you? "

What stats would those be? I cant’ help but notice that the Rebel doesn’t actually link to third party, verifiable sources. You’ll have to do that for us, so please provide a link to the stats that you allude to.
commented 2018-04-10 20:48:21 -0400
Watch as they target all 86 year old Anglo – Saxon ladies !
Because the current nightmare has NOTHING to do with Islam or immigration
commented 2018-04-10 18:46:45 -0400
Since 9/11 – IN THE NAME OF ISLAM (SATAN): 35,105 Attacks, 227,740 Killed, 307,713 Injured that we know of.
commented 2018-04-10 18:39:25 -0400
Drew, Andrew’s visit last year makes her an expert… the same for Paris…in her mind anyway!
commented 2018-04-10 18:02:15 -0400
Andrew still gonna beek off about stats when they do not support you?
commented 2018-04-10 18:01:04 -0400
Probably taking away smartphones rather than knives anyways.