September 10, 2015

WATCH: Parents pull children from school, hold classes in park to protest new Ontario sex-ed curriculum

Rebel Staff

Many students at Thorncliffe Park Public School have yet to attend their first classes of the school year. Their parents are keeping them out of school to protest Ontario's new sex-education curriculum.

Khalid Mahmood of the Thorncliffe Parents Association told The Rebel that they are planning to keep their children out of school for the month of September.

As an alternative to classes, the Association has set up a school in the park for the almost 200 children whose parents are unable to homeschool them during this time.

As part of the new curriculum, six year old students learn the proper names of genitalia. By Grade Seven, children will be taught about anal and oral sex.

Mahmood says he and the other parents "have been labelled homophobes" or suspected of being members of "a particular political party."

He denies this, saying, "We are not against any community, even LGBTQ. If they are discriminated against, we are standing with them. We are asking the same respect for our side, too."


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Ontario’s sex-ed curriculum sexualizes young children, undermines parental authority and imposes the government's morality on every Ontario family.

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commented 2015-09-11 22:28:01 -0400
Joan do you remember that you stated a particular person hated you for no reason and you tried to briefly explained the situation to me? I responded that there were two sides to every story and the truth.
Now I understand fully.
Think about your snide remarks and you will understand the reason he dislikes you.
commented 2015-09-11 21:36:37 -0400
“There is not a blond or white child in this protest class.”

That was my first thought as well,(I don’t agree with Wynnes sex ed for any kid). It seems that there aren’t many Caucasian kids in the entire town of Thorncliff Park.

From wiki.
“While many religious backgrounds are represented in Thorncliffe Park, Islam is a majority in the neighbourhood. This is reflected in various mosques, halal groceries and after school Quranic teaching (Madrassah).”

The 6 largest visible minority groups in Thorncliffe Park are:

South Asian – 63.5%
Filipino – 21.2%
Black – 4.1%
Arab/West Asian – 3.4%
Chinese – 1.4%

“In 2001, immigrants constituted 66% of the population of the Community Planning Area, and recent immigrants constituted 87%. "
I find that to be an alarming imbalance. Not healthy.
I guess that explains why we don’t see any white kids at the protest.
commented 2015-09-11 21:29:30 -0400
Thanks JOAN, for the links! And yes, it’s human anatomy—but we’re not teaching kids biology in Grade 1 either, but that doesn’t mean they won’t eventually be taught—I respectfully disagree that it’s a pertinent or relevant educational matter for the first legitimate year of schooling. I don’t even know why they have sex-ed in Grade 1—I would think that core subjects would be more pressing, especially given the state of millenial’s grasp on these subjects. Personally this is the smallest of my concerns.

I am aware of the domestic human trafficking situation and like you, I find it abhorrent and disgusting—but you haven’t provided a correlation between the sexual education and this phenomenon—I personally feel these dangers can be taught outside the scope of immediate sexual education, or included—but this isn’t what people are complaining about. I don’t know why you think that’s the case. We do have to educate our children about exploitation, sexting, sending inappropriate selfies and the consequences thereof, bullying in all forms and online predators: I don’t think anybody disagrees with you on this. I certainly don’t.

You point out the video by Jason that most women couldn’t name parts of the reproductive system. Most men and women can’t do calculus either—it doesn’t mean they weren’t taught that in school. Most Canadians aren’t bilingual despite mandatory french to Grade 9. Most people can’t do their times tables anymore (not that those are used anymore). Most people can’t spell ‘onomatopoeia’; in fact many can’t spell without spellcheck. Many people’s grammar is left seriously wanting—and a great number of people can’t write in cursive. The average person probably can’t balance a chemical equation. All these are taught in our education system. My niece and nephew can’t tell time on an analog clock for goodness sake. Just because people didn’t retain what they’re taught in school it doesn’t mean they weren’t taught properly. Though I will concede that it could be the case that they were not—that’s speculative.

The other link you sent doesn’t show that it’s a common belief for 9 year old girls to think anal sex is safe; I assume this is posed on a site for teens—and yes, they should be educated—in fact I don’t even think this was deficient in the OLD curriculum: I was taught by Grade 8 about STD’s and yes, that anal intercourse can transmit these diseases, and yes any proximal contact between a penis and vagina induces a risk of pregnancy, which includes anal. Regardless, I’d be more comfortable with teenagers being educated on these matters than 9 year old girls. In other words—everything in it’s time. I’m sure you wouldn’t be against some reform of the curriculum to address concerns of parents—I agree that reform is necessary; this happens in every subject taught, sex-ed should be no different. The form this takes (and has taken) is what is disputed here. .

Finally, to the other posters—I actually think Joan is raising legitimate points and questions. Let’s not degrade this to a CBC type comment board where every dissenting view is met with an insult. I’ll reiterate her point: attack ideas, not persons.

Oh—this is a third party link, so it may be specious (the “Documents” link on the CPC website is down), but I had no reason to think it was upon seeing it:
commented 2015-09-11 19:32:07 -0400
Hya – Like I said, I do not take orders from you. Yawn.
commented 2015-09-11 18:53:29 -0400
Grow up Joan.
commented 2015-09-11 18:26:52 -0400
We CANNOT EVER defeat the Ontario Liberal Party with hysterical sexual repression, homophobia, or hatred. We can only do that by exposing and criticizing bad Liberal policies, ideas and crimes.

Attack ideas, not persons.
commented 2015-09-11 18:24:04 -0400
Typical of haters to blame the victims of their bad acts for their bad acts.
commented 2015-09-11 18:23:07 -0400
Hyacinth Honey, nice try but seriously, you don’t think I take orders from you, do you???

Bwahahahahaha !!!!
commented 2015-09-11 18:21:24 -0400
Children are not taught to “focus” on their genitals. They are taught anatomy. Children use the washrooms at school. If a child complains his wully is bleeding, what does that mean? If a girl says “my dooey hurts” what are we to think? Kids are never asked to touch themselves or to focus on their genitals. They are taught common language. Did you see that satire piece by Jason that showed most women asked couldn’t name the women’s reproductive system? How are kids supposed to learn if their parents are too ashamed of genitalia to teach them anything but shhh and don’t touch?
commented 2015-09-11 18:18:16 -0400
You are no different than Jimmy, you are always correct period. If you want to call me Hater etc., go play with Jimmy, two peas in a pod, both of you slander others and draw that out of other people in response.
commented 2015-09-11 18:11:44 -0400
Hyacinth – What criticism do you see?
commented 2015-09-11 18:10:50 -0400
D. Oats – link to proof Communist Part lobbied to “push” through – sounds dirty – the curriculum?
commented 2015-09-11 18:04:58 -0400
Geez Hyacinth, can’t you come up with an original insult?
commented 2015-09-11 18:03:55 -0400
Hyacinth – twenty was an estimate but since you challenged that, I counted. 15. I counted 15.
commented 2015-09-11 18:03:18 -0400
Hater? Come off it Joan, you are the hater.
commented 2015-09-11 18:02:08 -0400
Hyacinth – Channeling Erin?

I made a benign, non-judgemental observation about demographics. You made an ugly slur on my character.

commented 2015-09-11 16:11:24 -0400
JOAN – you raise some interesting points—and I agree with many of them. I don’t know the data on the “common belief” of 9 year olds thinking anal sex is safe—perhaps I am naive in thinking that this isn’t the case, and if you have those data at your disposal you’d truly underscore your point nicely. The curriculum is designed to discuss dating at that age, which many parents find age-inappropriate for a 9 year old.

Internet predation is absolutely a modern phenomenon and has largely replaced the “don’t talk to strangers” and so education should reform accordingly. But that isn’t sexual education—that’s an education on the human condition. Besides this isn’t what people are complaining about here—we all want our children to be safe. You don’t have to have explicit sexual references to teach children how to be vigilant in this matter (and I’m not saying that’s the case—it’s just NOT what people have their hackles up about here).

The vagina/vulva statement is a canard—nobody’s saying to teach “penis” but don’t teach “vagina” to shame women. That’s feminist garbage. Personally I’d rather my kids not focus on their genitalia as a matter of education in Grade 1, and I think that’s the main objection, whether “pee pee” or not: the school system is forcing it into the narrative.

Gender identity theory is akin to intelligent design in my view: scientifically unsound and politically motivated. I do have a problem with that. This is to be taught in Grade 3.

Grades 6-8 ;I personally don’t have any issue with the discussion of masturbation etc. As I recall that was the period where grainy “ball into glove” films from the 1970’s were shown back when I was a young cad. Most protestations are at the explicit nature of the new curriculum particularly with respect to anal intercourse, which is discussed in Grade 7. This talks to your point where you say it’s “common” for 9 year olds to think anal sex is safe—I’m not sure where your data comes from on this point so again I urge you to provide it.

In Grade 7 it’s taught how important it is to understand “your own body, including what gives you pleasure” through masturbation. At one time it was taught that masturbation was normal—that was it; now the school maintains that you should masturbate with very suggestive language. As the P. Trudeau once said, the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation—this seems to overstep in that regard in a very disturbing way. This is followed in Grade 8 by making a personal sexual plan; and sticking to that plan when a situation arises. How does that fit with your discouraging of sexual predation? The worry from parents: this will normalize promiscuity, not deter it, and that perhaps—just perhaps—a child in Grade 8 is too young to have a sexual plan that he or she is advised to “stick to”—perhaps even over the values and wishes of that child’s parents?

The fisting references are—I agree—not in the curriculum—it’s inflammatory language. However the lobby groups who pushed this curriculum through, includes the communist party. You point out that you don’t want a few people guiding our education system—why do these lobbyists get a pass using those same standards?
commented 2015-09-11 15:24:09 -0400
“Note there is not one blonde or white child in this protest class.” I’m surprised at you Joan, that sounds very racist yet if someone else would say it you’d call them on the carpet about it.

“Here is my concern. The numbers of children in this group that Mahmood and his friends are denying education to for September are maybe twenty.” Seriously Joan?

I was under the illusion that you were enlightened on diverse subjects, I see I erred, I should not have assumed.
commented 2015-09-11 14:36:28 -0400
Erin Berney – The Ontario sex-ed curriculum does not teach anal sex or fisting to students.

It warns students that anal sex is risky and it advises abstinence. Not at all the same as teaching them how to sustain a disability by consenting to fisting and/or any other anal, oral or vaginal sex. That just isn’t taught and to claim it is spreads hysterical falsehoods.

Do you not realize just how rampant sex predation of younger and younger kids has become in Canada? Far, far, far too many kids will learn from children of the human/guns/drug smugglers at their schools – and don’t kid yourself that such people only live in poor or ethnic neighbourhoods – that anal sex is a safe and hey, also cool way to avoid pregnancy. That is a really common misbelief held by nine year-olds. It is far, far better for pre-pubescent students to learn anal sex is dangerous and to learn how to tell their peers, “No, I don’t consent” than for them to be totally naive about the difference between consent and coercion and therefore vulnerable to persuasive peer pressure. Human trafficking of girls born in Canada is exponentially on the rise. They are persuaded by lies they have no degence against believing and they get sucked into slavery by their intense need for social inclusion.

I think it is a crime to not teach all children how to to be safe from sexual predators. How to be safe from that nice 9 year-old neighbour girl who is in skating with your daughter. How to be safe from that nice hockey coach your son met at church. Predators are not immediately recognizable and they don’t pounce; they groom so that, like a lobster in a pot, an uneducated child won’t recognize it until s/he is cooked.
commented 2015-09-11 14:11:24 -0400
Note there is not one blonde or white child in this protest class.

I don’t understand why the singing of O Canada had to be piped in, with orchestra accompaniment.


Here is my concern. The numbers of children in this group that Mahmood and his friends are denying education to for September are maybe twenty. A really tiny group. Yet Mahmood wants his values to determine the curriculum to be taught to the children of Ontario’s 2 million parents.

I respect his right to his opinion, his right to home school his children, and his right to public protest. But he has no right to expect his values to be forced on the majority. That is what he will learn from this.

Some people say those who don’t want their children exposed to the Ontario sex-ed curriculum object because they don’t want their daughters to learn that FGM, child marriage, gender bias and honour crimes violate Canada’s Criminal Code. Because they don’t want their girls to be independent, free and equal in value and worth to their sons.

As to the (Hannah’s?) objection to students being taught the correct names for body parts, I don’t get it. It is no harder to say “penis” than it is to say “pee pee” and why the huge problem with “vulva” and “vagina”? Are women’s genitalia dirty? Taboo? Unmentionable? Maybe to some who object because it fits with the cultural value that holds girls who menstruate are filthy and need to be excluded from society. Sigh. Aren’t we beyond endorsing such ignorance in 2015?
commented 2015-09-11 13:28:31 -0400
James, I give them only partial credit, notice how they candy coated it:

(Not much in actual reporting of specifics):
Complaints from parents have ranged from a lack of consultation with them, to lessons not being age-appropriate, to not wanting their kids to be taught about same-sex relationships and different gender identities.

(Then watch them leap to Wynne’s defense):
Premier Kathleen Wynne said in addition to thousands of school council chairs, 70 health organizations and parent groups were consulted in crafting the new curriculum, which had not been updated since 1998.
“This is the most widely consulted upon curriculum in the history of the province,” she said Tuesday.
“When we write curriculum … on geography or social studies or mathematics, that kind of consultation does not happen because that’s not how curriculum has been historically written in the province.

(I was amazed that they did include this quote by her):
“We felt there was a need to have a broader consultation with parents on this curriculum.”

(Then more distortion of facts: from what I have read it is the opposite):
However, she (Education Minister Liz Sandals) said, the majority of the feedback she has received has been positive.

(Question: Was she never stopped or was she stopped a lot?)
“I have never in my life been just stopped on the street by strangers so often [who] said, ’Thank you for doing this. Hang in there. We want this program.”’

Poor reporting by CBC (not a shocker) and bad command of the English language by Education Minister Liz Sandals.
commented 2015-09-11 11:34:59 -0400
Alex, here’s a fun fact: A metrosexual has nothing to do with sex at all. It’s a wayward term used by people who wish to dress up in “high class clothing” It’s more a fashion and styling label than a gender-based one.
commented 2015-09-11 08:07:06 -0400
You make a great point about the silent majority. In England’s last election. The polls were neck and neck until the last day only to see the Conservatives come out with a majority. So much for Liberals being the way of the future.

Sadly, Jimmy has a 10 year old son. Jimmy is a self proclaimed hip, trendy, on the map, metro sexual. He thinks that half the world wants to live in New York and that Toronto is the envy all Canadians. He admits that our 1.1 billion dollar tax sucking national broadcaster. The CBC, is left wing. That is 1.1 billion dollars every year by the way. I say that Jimmy is a stupid, retarded, turnip with severe issues. A lot of people have given up on his ignorant, repetitive, answer-less responses. I have been assuming that exposing Liberal ignorance was a good thing. But he is beginning to be cumbersome.

If you comment to him, type real slow so he can understand
commented 2015-09-11 07:11:06 -0400
Jimmy seems terribly unhappy here. No one is forcing him to stay, a number actually wish he’d would go back to his old haunts or simply just go away yet he remains and moans, stamps his feet, there’s simply no pleasing him. Reminds me of a child having hissy fits because he can’t have candy.