March 06, 2016

Patrick Brown, trust -- and that new Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario logo

Joshua LiebleinRebel Blogger

Today, we're going to be talking about trust and why mainstream conservative leaders don't have it. It's an extremely timely conversation, especially after the ludicrous exercise in corporate rebranding that was this past weekend's PC Party of Ontario convention.

It is true that we have the most entitled, spoiled, and self-obsessed voters in history, and getting them to trust anyone is nearly impossible.

It is also true that we have the most robotic, overly coached, and visibly guarded conservative leaders in history, trying to appear "mainstream" and focusing on Keeping Taxes Low while struggling to maintain a restive base to whom Donald Trump looks increasingly attractive.

Establishment conservatives, the people who supervise and handle these non-humans masquerading as "leaders", are supremely convinced of their own ability to hoodwink not only their base, but "middle-class" voters and even traditional Liberals into believing that a conservative party could ever be something mainstream, something that could be given the benefit of the doubt.

So they tell Patrick Brown to cozy up to union leaders, copy Kathleen Wynne's campaign ads and Justin Trudeau's catchphrases, be photographed on elephants in India, and show how open he is to carbon pricing. All this, they tell us, will "build a coalition of voters."

They really, really, really mean it this time when they say THIS TIME, it's a new PC Party of Ontario.

And then, of course, the old PCPO reveals itself. The squabbling on social media over nomination and party exec races. The easily bruised egos. The back-channel access that reveals exactly what the pecking order is, was, and always has been. And, most damnable of all, the running to tell all of the above to enemy "journalists" at the Toronto Star.

But then, what would you expect from a Progressive Conservative party that has been around for centuries and has never been able to answer the original, existential question of what they stand for?

I don't know who these chuckleheads think they're fooling with their public proclamations of unity or their new logos with red and green in them or their insistence that voters are going to be more interested in the Liberal legacy of scandal and waste and high taxes and deficits and unemployment than the latest PCPO follies come election time. Possibly, they are fooling themselves.

Everyone else can point to four provincial elections and ten years of resolute opposition to everything Stephen Harper did that suggests otherwise.

The sad fact is, if the establishment didn't despise themselves and their conservatism and weren't insanely jealous of their Liberal friends, there would be no need for them to engage in these clever-dick antics. They actually could count on their base to support them. They wouldn't have to apologize for whatever Mike Harris did twenty years after the fact. They wouldn't have to constantly put out friendly fires. People would trust them.

But that would require a little bit of honesty, and being comfortable with who, and what, they really are.

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commented 2016-03-09 21:25:31 -0500
Progressive buzz word for the other liberal/ NDP party! Vote for any of these three criminal cartels ensure UN serfdom.Oh we are there now!
commented 2016-03-07 23:49:46 -0500
Let’s take a look at history, shall we? John Tory was in an election that was his to lose. He did; with faith based schools. Tim Hudak was in an election that was his to lose. He did; with promising to cut 100,000 jobs (through attrition,but voters were too dumb to catch that).
So the lessons is: Stop saying dumb shit that will give the left a ball to hit out of the park and keep it simple. And be Conservatives, because this is what we need right now. We now have three left of centre parties in Ontario and there is no one to vote for. Ontario is a pathetic, have not, broken province; a mere shadow if it’s former self, and the only thing that will fix it are Conservative principles. I wish these dopes running the party would get that through their thick skulls.
commented 2016-03-07 19:49:47 -0500
And thank God for those monarch kissing loyalists. They provided a safe haven for escaped slaves from the U.S. for years. To them, the Union Jack meant a chance to have the same freedoms that their American counterparts boasted about but shamefully denied to them.
commented 2016-03-07 19:44:10 -0500
The lesson is, the particular institutions of a political system only account for part of it’s strength. The people and culture account for the rest. Both Canada and the U.S. were negligent in guarding their cultures.
commented 2016-03-07 19:32:39 -0500
Richard Smith said: "Bow down and kiss your inbred Queen’s wrinkly old ass you bunch of “progressive” loyalists. That’s what you are: The sad slaves who fought your cousins for seeking independence from an arbitrary foreign monarch. Probably more than three-quarters of this “PC” bunch oppose the Natural Right to self-defense, oppose concealed carry… Just shrug their shoulders and say “Hey this is Canada eh, if you don’t like it then get out”. Well I would if I could you PC assholes.

Loyalists. That is a FAR more perverse word than even “progressive”. Feel shame that your history of weakness has led to this weak present day. Look at your beloved England now, state-run CCTV in people’s homes to make sure the kids do their pro-trans homework and face East for prayer five times a day. Absolutely disgusting you pitiful fucks. "

Oh give me a break, Richard. Loyalty has nothing to do with this state if affairs. The only thing the American revolution accomplished was the replacement of a common law respecting hereditary king with a common law respecting elected king. It was possible to buy fully automatic firearms in this country up until a few decades ago. A president is an elected king and the Americans are just one supreme court nominee away from losing their second amendment.

Sir John A MacDonald believed in an individuals right to self defence with a firearm. I think that the most that Canada’s fathers of confederation can be faulted with is overestimating the intelligence of their descendants. They really didn’t think we’d be this dumb and they did not formally adopt a written bill of rights into the BNA because Canada already had one (the English bill of rights) which is what the U.S. bill of rights is based on. Statists, however, have taken over education media, and politics in Canada and have eroded the strength of Christianity and the family. The U.S. faces the same problem so get off your high horse. Don’t act as if the next presidential election won’t likely be between a leftist Hillary Clinton and her leftist funder Donald Trump.
commented 2016-03-07 18:31:52 -0500
If this is the path The PC’s are going to follow they can kiss my support goodbye. We need another party, a real Conservative party.
commented 2016-03-07 16:03:03 -0500
Obviously these are the same masterminds that gave us Hudak the Liberal Slayer.
commented 2016-03-07 13:24:14 -0500
Get rid of Michael Mann already, let’s have a democratic vote whether the Social Justice Warrior should pack up his shit and post at CBC.
commented 2016-03-07 11:43:16 -0500
That logo needs to be sent to the trash bin. It looks more like a coalition logo than one for a conservative party. Don’t conservatives get it? You will never win by compromising principles.
commented 2016-03-07 10:56:48 -0500
The PC party shows no signs of being a conservative party. Better the crooks you know, eh?
commented 2016-03-07 10:34:11 -0500
Can’t wait to see The Rebel’s response to the 60 Minutes interview with “oh stupid one” Trudeau.

President Trump will be putting Canada on ignore until “oh stupid one” Trudeau gets voted out.
commented 2016-03-07 10:29:58 -0500
Funny how the “socialist douche bags” set the narrative as to the voters that exist in Ontario.

Hudak threw the election (100,000 layoffs – who wins with that) – Ontario is an economic disaster that will default – $300BILLION of debt that will default – libranos work. Wynne shit herself after the election figuring she had avoided jail, but instead inherited a “pending default province”.

The far right is a small and a non factor. The media party calls them “small c conservatives”. We are in fact “independents” – we vote both parties – the one that makes the most sense wins.

But the far left that is supported by the media party runs the agenda and naive Canadians still believe their crap – shitholes like torstar, cbc, ctv. The left wing media party has aided in controlling Canada for the last 60 years – today is no different – but they are failing now.

Progressives are code for “more socialism” and show not be included in the Conservative brand.
commented 2016-03-07 09:26:50 -0500
That you consider The Star as “the enemy” and call them “journalists” with quotes does not speak well for your credibility.

So, what should Ontario PCs do? Double down on a losing strategy? Your efforts to drive them back into the wilderness would result in nothing other than another Liberal majority, if they lack the spine to stand up to the extremists and try to build a coalition with a chance of winning.

Perhaps you guys should endorse proportional representation so the extremists will have a chance at a few seats, while more moderate conservatives can ditch the extremists and build a coalition with a chance at winning more seats.
commented 2016-03-07 09:13:29 -0500

Take your like and form a new party. Let’s call it the TKDPC party ok? “The United Knuckle Draggers Party of Canada” What’s the weather like out there in the stratosphere Deiter? Do you see Ezra Levant disguised as “the blind guy” with the tin cup? Good, you found it! Is it kind of like the first colony on Mars?
commented 2016-03-07 08:49:47 -0500

Take your like and form a new party. Let’s call it the TKDPC party ok? “The United Knuckle Draggers Party of Canada” What’s the weather like out there in the stratosphere Deiter? Do you see the Ezra Levant disguised as the blind guy with the tim cup? Good, you found it!
commented 2016-03-07 08:42:31 -0500
RYAN MILLER commented 9 hours ago
Signed up for an account here just because of this one issue.

I don’t care if the PCs do worse in the next election, it’s time for a 4th party. These guys are not even Liberals in disguise, they’re just plain Liberals. I’d sooner vote for the Liberals now simply to spite this PC party if a viable 4th party option does not appear.

Please do form a 4th party. Please, please, please!
commented 2016-03-07 08:40:16 -0500
MICHAEL MANN commented 7 hours ago

It’s funny that you think you are normal. I am a real Canadian. You are not. The vast majority of Canadians will always vote in varying degrees of liberal.

I couldn’t agree more with you. These low iq contards couldn’t chew buggle gum and walk at the same time. About all they can do is throw their money at a leader who will figure out how to make them happy with nothing more than lip service, because normal people will be runing things. Levant is laughing all the way to the bank with you idiots.
commented 2016-03-07 08:33:03 -0500
ANDREW commented 24 mins ago
Global economy crash will adjust socialist attitudes in the country.

In the meantime, the PC’s need to drop the word progressive – you can’t be a socialist and a conservative in the same sentence.

The Independent Conservative Party Of Ontario would be more accurate.

That would work really good for all 3 of you.
commented 2016-03-07 08:13:37 -0500
So what is it that now distinguishes them from the Liberal Party, other than that they have a different name? (I personally prefer the color blue to the color red, but that doesn’t seem sufficient reason to vote PC.) They are no longer conservative, it would appear: not in terms of social issues certainly, and not even fiscally. In regard to the latter, if they think to court unions, how are they going to accomplish that without following Wynne’s time-honored method of spend, spend, and spend some more, until the province is hopelessly drowned in debt? If they don’t keep salaries and benefits ridiculously “generous”, they won’t get the unions’ support. Period.

The ironic thing is, I doubt that their heroic efforts to turn themselves into another Liberal party will even result in electoral success: they will lose voters who are actual conservatives, of course, but they won’t in all probability be able to attract those who currently vote Liberal either. Most of this latter group vote Liberal out of simple self-interest, because of their dependence on the Welfare State – on the welfare, disability and public service employee cheques that are handed out monthly. The PCs would have to sweeten the deal financially in order to lure them away from the Liberals – and that seems impractical, and perhaps even impossible, given that Ontario is already teetering on the cusp of economic collapse.

Anyway, they won’t get my vote again.
commented 2016-03-07 08:07:22 -0500
Global economy crash will adjust socialist attitudes in the country.

In the meantime, the PC’s need to drop the word progressive – you can’t be a socialist and a conservative in the same sentence.

The Independent Conservative Party Of Ontario would be more accurate.
commented 2016-03-07 07:29:17 -0500
Sorry for the spelling and grammar mistakes in my comment. A post editing option would be nice.
commented 2016-03-07 07:25:34 -0500
It’s funny how “Unite the right” seems to continuously reject it’s principled foundation, the social conservatives.

I consider Alberta provincial and UK federal,when I ask this. Does a conservative party, that drops the social side of its conservatism, stay fiscally conservative for lung
commented 2016-03-07 05:56:25 -0500
The PC party should do what the Liberals do at election time. Lie, lie, and lie. Break all of your promises when elected and lie again at the next election and get re-elected.
commented 2016-03-07 02:51:26 -0500
The PCs should drop the Conservative from their party name and just call themselves the Progressive Party. I can’t believe Brown endorsed Climate change.
commented 2016-03-07 01:54:20 -0500
Becoming leftards like Mr.Mann and his ilk is not an option. Stay to the right and when Canadians have felt enough of the destruction they’ll begin to wake up. Happened after adscam and will happen again.
commented 2016-03-07 01:29:14 -0500
Jimmy duh Sylva word for word again. ‘I am a real Canadian you are not’ what you are is a pathetic troll, Gordo, jimannie.
commented 2016-03-07 01:14:51 -0500
The new colour scheme looks a little bit like a rainbow flag. Come to think of it, I think one of the first things Brown did after he became leader is attend the Toronto Pride Parade. Coincidence? I think not!
commented 2016-03-07 01:10:29 -0500

It’s funny that you think you are normal. I am a real Canadian. You are not. The vast majority of Canadians will always vote in varying degrees of liberal.
commented 2016-03-07 00:24:27 -0500
Mik Mann….the coward hiding behind a fake name, lecturing on how the leftist progressive fucktards, thinks it should be. Put down the pizza pop, get out of the basement and see the real world as it falls apart. You may start to understand the concern the normal people have for this country. Idiot!!
commented 2016-03-07 00:16:03 -0500
Are they fooling the entire PC?!