August 17, 2015

What's the dope on Harper's marijuana position?

Brian LilleyArchive

A common refrain often repeated by the Media Party and advocates for marijuana legalization is that Stephen Harper is waging a war on pot.

This goes back to before the official campaign even began at a time when it seemed like Justin Trudeau's one and only campaign policy was going to be to legalize marijuana.

Since then, it's been difficult to see the real facts through the fog of misinformation so I wave away the miasma to engage in some straight talk about pot. 


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commented 2015-08-20 00:19:12 -0400
Under Trudeau’s legalization plan, it looks like to me, that pot with high THC levels would be taxed and regulated like booz and cigarettes. Any medicinal usage, very low to nil THC would probably (?) be dealt with as any drug is, through Health Canada, probably dispensed through Doctors and Pharmacists. All supposition on my part, because I haven’t heard Justin spell it out. I do however doubt he means everyone could grow their own for their own usage.
Justin is only interested in it helping his vote, and potential tax money, I don’t think he has thought it out.
I don’t want that much gov’t regulation. Decriminalize it and be done. People can figure out the rest.
commented 2015-08-19 21:34:49 -0400
Liza, your “not necessarily” comment, that’s the problem now, isn’t it? I’ve heard a lot of people express support for Trudeau because of his stance, and I’m glad that most of those people likely won’t vote. I try to educate them on the difference between what he means when he says “legalize” and what they are hearing. I’ve said this for years; the only way that pot will truly be legalized will be when conservatives legalize it. I’m predicting that at some point Trudeau or his successor will “legalize” it, and two election cycles later it will be the Conservatives (in whatever form) lobbying from the opposition for greater freedom for marijuana closet growers. Look at Colorado now – the same people who were in legal trouble for the moral crimes involving marijuana are still in legal trouble today for taxation and regulation crimes. It kinda defeats the purpose, and gives the prohibitionists ammo when they say crime hasn’t gone down as much as predicted. It’s because they didn’t really “legalize” it in the same way most people think of it. Pot should have the same legal status as cucumbers, and be nobody’s business but your own.
commented 2015-08-19 09:56:41 -0400
Paul, “If it were legal you could grow your own”, not necessarily.
commented 2015-08-19 09:55:02 -0400
There are people who smoke every day and are totally functioning, you are dealing with people who smoke and don’t know it. I have also known chronic smokers who with out a doubt have arrested development, even though some of them haven’t smoked pot for years, (but were once chronic). There must be physiological reasons for this. So I do not buy the notion that it is a harmless herb for all.
Getting stoned from the THC in cannabis has never agreed with me, so I don’t do it. I would however appreciate the right to grow a plant or have access to small amounts for personal edible/topical medicinal purposes, without having to go through a Doctor. You don’t need a plant with high THC levels for that, so can’t get stoned on it anyway.
I don’t know if it should be legalized or not but it should be decriminalized. I don’t think people are going to like it totally gov’t controlled.
commented 2015-08-19 09:54:07 -0400
Yeah, Belinda, it’s pretty obvious you don’t have kids, or at least not with any serious medical issues. Call up some of these parents and tell them their child has a 50 percent chance they’ll grow out of it, I’m sure that’ll turn them around on the medicinal pot issue. Do you even hear yourself as you think these things? And every study I’ve seen on the issue of addiction shows that alcohol is many times more likely than pot to be a gateway drug. I like your “gateway drug” arguments, it’s actually an argument for legalization. You see, if it were legal, a person could grow their own or buy it from a store instead of having to go to their local cocaine dealer to get it.
Your comment on not seeing a human interest story – the “current” rhetoric aside, the issue has been here for about 3 generations now, search every database and/or archive you can find, you won’t see any examples of what I mentioned, because there aren’t any. There aren’t any because there aren’t any subjects to do a show on because THEY DON’T EXIST!! Every year thousands of young Canadians make documentaries as part of their studies, don’t you think someone would have found enough examples of your “junkie” pot smoker meme to make something of it by now? As Jason pointed out: pot can create a minor addiction, in the clinical sense, but I’ve looked at 3 studies so far that show that coffee is more addictive than pot, and I have yet to see anything scientific that shows otherwise. I’ve put challenges like this on public forums for several years now to see if someone can come up with anything that goes against that – no responses yet. How many years have to pass, how many scientific studies have to show that pot isn’t addictive (in the way you believe, the “junkie” concept) and how many lives have to be ruined before people like you accept that what you believe about pot just isn’t true? Yes, there are people who show signs of the type of behaviour you’re talking about, but pot isn’t the main menu item for these people. They’ll take whatever they can get their hands on, and pot just happens to be the most readily available but you offer them oxy and they’ll drop the joint they’re smoking in a heartbeat. Pot isn’t the problem in society, alcohol is. But hey, just keep on telling yourself that people like me are just stoner hippy losers while you sip your gin…
commented 2015-08-18 22:50:17 -0400
Paul Cerniuk: Yes I have met and spoken at length with pot addicts who then proceeded to harder drugs – it’s just a matter of time before the highs and lows of pot become insufficient, and those who do not go on to other forms but make pot habitual end up with really really bad memories and do not function normally. No I have never seen a human interest story on ‘pot addiction’ because it just doesn’t fit in with the current rhetoric so we’re not likely to see any soon either. I do know of a lot of young people who steal to feed their pot addiction. The prostitute turning tricks to feed her addictions started off with pot.
The child with epilepsy – as stated before, 50% of children with epilepsy totally outgrow their epilepsy and yes the story certainly pulls the heart strings but don’t they always use the same old saddest story they can find to promote whatever they’re promoting ? The woman dieing at childbirth because she did not have access to abortion ? Or the child born with dual sex organs for vallidating their mixed or multi-gender agenda, and so it goes.
commented 2015-08-18 13:43:45 -0400
@ Paul Cernuik: As a matter of fact, I do believe there is a MINOR addiction trait among pot smokers. I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I’m going to and from work and have stoners try and stop me just to see if I have any weed. And even on two separate occasions, these “harmless” questions became violent when I said I didn’t. If THAT isn’t a sign of a form of addiction, or at the VERY least, obsession, what is?

That being said, some of the people I personally know who do smoke pot are against the legalization. And it’s because they know it’ll get taxed to death like tobacco did.
commented 2015-08-18 06:57:14 -0400
I like Justin’s idea. Let’s all grow weed. I’m gonna need a job when they shutout oil production. Marijuana became illegal by a lobbyist named DuPont. (See five wealhtiest families) It’s uses conflicted with their agenda. Average price for street weed is 200/oz. Goverments costs 1500 Beurocracy mostly. Keep that top heavy machine well oiled Justin. Just like your hair
commented 2015-08-18 01:24:11 -0400
Belinda: pot addicts? You ever meet one? You ever read or hear on the radio or see on the TV news a story about a pot addict holding up a store or mugging someone? Ever see a human interest story on the victims of pot addiction? Ever hear of a prostitute turning tricks to feed her pot habit? I thought not. It sounds like you’d rather the children have the fits, and die from them, than let them get treatment with pot. Nice.
commented 2015-08-18 00:23:48 -0400
Pot and alcohol are just gateways and yes there are a few who really need it medicinally – of course the example they use is always the little child that suffers from epilepsy but childhood epilepsy is very rare and more than 50% will totally outgrow their epilepsy (but they will continue to be pot addicts). To go with the rhetoric, there are now statistics supposedly showing that 20% of the population of Canada suffer from chronic pain, lol. When the communists took over China there weren’t too many people left to fight – they were all euphoric on opium. Have you ever noticed how easy it is to manipulate someone on drugs ? and how easily they will agree to just about anything suggested ? The left most definitely want the people to be dumb and dumber.
commented 2015-08-17 23:30:20 -0400
Brian, at 45 seconds you say “saying you don’t want people smoking pot … isn’t the same as rounding people up and throwing them in jail”. Actually, it is. Exactly that, in this case. You can’t say nobody goes to jail for possession, as that’s not true. I personally know people who went to jail for possession, not distribution or any other crime, just simple possession. Jodie Emery’s stated on the bishop’s old SNN show twice that there are more people in jail for possession than any other crime. I haven’t taken the time to check, but I can’t help but notice that nobody’s corrected her yet, so… and really, isn’t your statement the same as saying “you don’t want people owning firearms”? Why can’t you and Harper just say you don’t like pot and let us citizens make up our own minds? Without all the cost and fuss of the criminal aspect attached? How is Harper’s opinion on pot any more valid than Billary’s opinion on the tax status of billionaires?
Just listen to the way that’s worded: “I don’t want people smoking pot”. Too freaking bad Mr. Harper et al, people are smoking pot, a lot of people are smoking a lot of pot and your way of dealing with it is just stupid.
And, one of the arguments I hear from the prohibitionists is to belittle the whole issue, like it’s no big thing to get caught with a joint, as nobody cares anymore. Let’s put it this way: I’m a known conservative, with no significant criminal record. Someday I may run for office. Would you vote for a guy, who seems to support everything you believe in, but has a record for pot possession, even if it were decades old? I’ve seen the effects of that personally also, as I reported on an attempt to get a PC nomination by a very well qualified guy who lost by a mile to a meek little lady because he had a possession record over 2 decades old. The seat went NDP. Are you okay with that? Because I wasn’t then and I’m not okay with it now. Yet the result today would be exactly the same for anyone trying to get a Conservative nom, anywhere in the country. Pot possession is a real crime, according to any cop in the country, and it’s the reason so many Canadians are up in arms about it. You and the current leader of the Conservative Party of Canada need to stop being part of the problem, start being part of the solution. BTW, Trudeau’s plan isn’t what most legalization fans want, he’s more about the regulation and taxation than legalization. I’m not voting for him, and I urge everyone else to not vote for him either. His legalization plan is a pig in a poke.
commented 2015-08-17 23:17:20 -0400
Nothing wrong with a dubbie…
But I wouldn’t EVER buy “gov. weed”, garbage that it is…
Growing your own is the best policy.

Just saying…
commented 2015-08-17 20:42:23 -0400
I have nothing against Pot. Using it as a Political Platform, well this just shows where the Trud Child is coming from. Hey Justin, did you know that the PC’s are going to legalize Goats Milk!
commented 2015-08-17 19:52:11 -0400
I would agree with you on the medicinal uses of oil and edibles Karin.
commented 2015-08-17 19:28:39 -0400
And VLAD JOHNSON, you need to actually know something about cannabis before making such stupid comments. If what you say is true, then 80% of the people I know are lazy, stupid, good for nothing pot heads…. and not the successful, wonderful parents, making a great living, enjoy travel and vote conservative kind of people. And no, I don’t smoke it.
commented 2015-08-17 19:20:01 -0400
I really don’t care if marijuana is legalized or decriminalized, but we need the cannabis oil and the edibles that are helping so many people with cancer, seizures, MS, and many other things to be easier to obtain. It’s ridiculous that a plant is illegal.
I’m no liberal, but I’m with Trudeau on this subject.
commented 2015-08-17 17:22:15 -0400
Fuddle Duddle & now Befuddled – Ugh.
commented 2015-08-17 17:03:33 -0400
Imagine. An army of stoners voting for Trudope! Shudder!
commented 2015-08-17 16:54:05 -0400
It’s called “dope” for a reason. Fries the brain. A nation full of stupids that can’t hold a job. Yep, Canada sure needs this.

troodo is a complete fkg idiot because he is a pot smoker – um – uh – uh – um – uh – um – um – here’s a clip from Jesse Waters/ Waters World over a Fox who covered a pot smokers convention – these are not people to laugh with, but these are people to laugh at.

Notice too the amount of um – uh – uh – um – uh – um – um’s? Yep – and Canada needs more stupids for MOAR SOSHULIST EWTOPIA!!!
commented 2015-08-17 16:19:01 -0400
Charles: “However, the carcinogen they like to smoke by choice needs to be legalized with no restrictions, regulations or taxes. The Regressive Movement is so inconsistent…or is that hypocritical…in their policies.”

Charles, you’d be hard-pressed to find evidence to back your statement up. The short clip Lilley provided of Trudeau has him expressing a desire to “tax and regulate” marijuana when legalized. These are not libertarians—they want to legalize the weed to reap tax rewards.
commented 2015-08-17 15:36:52 -0400
As Mr Harper alludes to in his speech, this is one of the inconsistencies in the policies of the regressives on the left. There are 20% or so Canadians who find pleasure in smoking tobacco (I’m not one), and because they do find pleasure, the left wants tobacco done away with. If tobacco is not outlawed, then it is to be heavily taxed and regulated. However, the carcinogen they like to smoke by choice needs to be legalized with no restrictions, regulations or taxes. The Regressive Movement is so inconsistent…or is that hypocritical…in their policies.