February 16, 2018

Whatever the “right” reaction to Parkland school shooting, I'm sure it can't be this

Katie HopkinsShillman Fellow

I think we’ve reached a new low even for us, accustomed as we are to news of tragedy and terror – and our reaction to it.

Even before the final bullet had left its magazine, the sound of Nikolas Cruz unloading his AR-15 assault rifle on his peers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida this week was eclipsed by the terrific noise of a million half-truths and maybes bellowed across the Internet and TV.

Each sound-bite cherry-picked by our good selves to confirm whatever bias we already had, we sat down and gorged ourselves until we were satiated, assured that we once again learned what we already knew.

This is the 18th school shooting in the US in 2018,” tweeted Everytown for Gun Safety, a non-profit group co-founded by Michael Bloomberg that is most famous for its running tally of school shootings.

The figure quickly became the established truth: 18 in 18, like "9/11" or "7/7," another cute short-cut to understanding numbers. And of course, it is an alarming figure.

It is also wrong.

Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 took place during school hours and resulted in injury. Three others appeared intentional, but did not hurt anyone. Two involved guns carried by enforcement officers — one a school police officer and the other a licensed peace officer who ran a college club. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

None of which makes it ok. Or seeks to undermine the feelings of mothers who send their kids to school with an extra kiss and a hug, just in case. No mother should feel like this.

But “18 in 18” is noise.

So too is the reaction of the Associated Press and the Anti-Defamation League, anxious to pin blame on the “far-right.”

"BREAKING," they screeched through loud-hailers, in caps lock:

“Leader of white nationalist group has confirmed suspect in Florida school shooting was a member of his organization.”

This “truth” was retweeted 40,000 times within the hour.

The mob felt comforted by the label. Now this was a white problem, a Trump problem, a Republican problem. The horror could be neatly placed inside a box. “Racists!” they could yell, through their tears.

The idea that this was a targeted attack by a member of a white nationalist organization who had “participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee” is indeed alarming.

It is also wrong.

In relatively short order, a Leon County Sheriff’s Office spokesman confirmed:

“We have no known ties between the Republic of Florida, Jordan Jereb or the Broward shooter.”

Less than 12 hours later Jordan Jereb appeared to be backing down from his claim that the shooter had ever been part of his Republic of Florida group.

“There was a misunderstanding because we have MULTIPLE people named Nicholas in ROF,” posted a user named @JordanJereb on Gab, a social media site.

“Are you really going to blame ME for the lying *** media? We know they are liars. F**k em.”

He may have something of a point.

But even as the empty noise grew louder, others shouted for more.

President Trump said he sent his “prayers and condolences” to the families of the dead, adding:

“No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school.”

Sarah, a young woman believed to be a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, replied:

“I don’t want your condolences you fucking price [sic] of shit, my friends and teachers were shot. Multiple of my fellow classmates are dead. Do something instead of sending prayers. Prayers won’t fix this. But gun control will prevent it from happening again.”

By Thursday morning her message had been retweeted 65,000 times and liked by more than 154,000 people. Sarah’s tweet became the go-to hook for news anchors overly keen to repeat coarse language against a President they clearly despise, deliberately filtering content to fit their narrative.

It is a curious thing indeed.

It’s not only the attitude to gun control that changes with the identity of the shooter. The acceptance of prayer does, too.

After every Islamist terror attack in Western Europe you can depend on the people to hold a vigil and a prayer service, light candles and make heart-shaped gestures at the sky. The liberal press cover these touching events with reverence and respect, voicing over their b-roll with the platitudes we have all learned by rote:

“Brave people, defiant in the face of terror, determined to carry on as normal, we stand united" etc.

But prayers in the face of a school shooting are less acceptable to the liberal press. These prayers are not worthy – indeed, coming from the President they are viewed as a sign of weakness. And young Sarah was right there on hand to articulate this prejudice:

“Prayers won’t fix this you piece of sh*t. Gun control will.”

Strange. I don’t hear “Prayers won’t fix this. Controlling Islam will,” when our children are slaughtered by Islamists.

Amid all this noise, the wailing and the chaos, and the uneducated views of the masses (and I can be equally culpable here), I think we often miss the obvious points.

Numb to the actual tragedy itself, we move quickly to accusation and blame as a coping strategy, rather than looking honestly at the unprotected children lying dead on the floor.

Deaf to quiet truths, we swallow without question the untruths shouted in our face because their neatness makes them more palatable: “18 in 18.”

And blind to the glaringly obvious, we miss the fact that a young person with mental issues, weapons, a prescription and a grudge cannot be left to wander on to a school campus to seek revenge. Perhaps if he’d had a loving parent waiting for him at the school gate each day, his path would have been less dark.

Sometimes I think we shout loudest when we don’t know what to do. Perhaps if we all just listened a lot longer and spoke a little less we might be better placed to hear what actually happened, and learn how to stop something like it happening again.

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commented 2018-02-17 18:58:22 -0500
“Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-02-17 02:29:28 -0500
Andrew illegal guns do not come from people robbing farmers, they are smuggled into Canada by certain groups the liberals would never dare go after. Where do you get your information from? And the shooter was not law abiding in this case. "

Imported illegally from the US… where they come from people “robbing farmers”. Perhaps not that specific, but same idea. If the Yanks could get their own houses in order it would dramatically reduce Canadian illegal weapons too… most of which were originally legal in the US too.
“Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-02-17 02:32:21 -0500
Andrew look at this
”http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32747175">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32747175
Long after they got tough on guns. Now quit making it so easy to counter your comments and use your head.
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There is about 20-30% uncertainty in those numbers (estimates seem to vary by ~10,000) Is it actually increasing? The long term trend is basically flat, or slightly declining relative to population (which is rapidly growing). It does illustrate the fact it’s nearly impossible to fix a situation that is that broken – perhaps the US should aim to prevent themselves from getting so bad.

Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-02-17 09:04:20 -0500
The protocol I was referring to in this case is the FBI failing to investigate the concerns reported on Jan.5/18 By the looks of it, it was 100% preventable."

… by gun control.

“The rest of your post has been addressed by others here and on other threads. Law abiding citizens don’t lie on their firearms application etc…nor do they shoot people who are not presenting an imminent danger to them. "

How do you distinguish them? Perhaps it would be better if law abiding citizens had to prove themselves to be capable owners, rather than assuming they’re capable unless proven otherwise (and very high burdens of proof for even that). Trump’s loosened restrictions on ownership by the mentally unsound. Does that sound wise, in the context of this event?
commented 2018-02-17 15:23:44 -0500
Excellent Link, thanks Tammie. Bill Whittle nails it.
commented 2018-02-17 09:04:20 -0500
The protocol I was referring to in this case is the FBI failing to investigate the concerns reported on Jan.5/18 By the looks of it, it was 100% preventable.

The rest of your post has been addressed by others here and on other threads. Law abiding citizens don’t lie on their firearms application etc…nor do they shoot people who are not presenting an imminent danger to them.
commented 2018-02-17 05:16:16 -0500
Ah, Andrew, no… “which means the first overt sign of problems is often when they shoot up the place.”
They had plenty of warning, the FBI were warned, he stated what he was going to do in advance, plenty of time for the FBI to react.
commented 2018-02-17 02:31:15 -0500
Andrew you sure pull things out of your ass quite frequently. Brazil got strict in 2004 , so tell me when the effect happens?? LMAO! PATHETIC!
commented 2018-02-17 02:29:28 -0500
Andrew illegal guns do not come from people robbing farmers, they are smuggled into Canada by certain groups the liberals would never dare go after. Where do you get your information from? And the shooter was not law abiding in this case.
commented 2018-02-17 01:37:26 -0500
Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-02-16 22:11:18 -0500
Okay Andrew, church goers are packing when they attend Sunday service…Pulse nightclub goers were armed to the teeth while partying…San Bernadino workers arrived at work with firearms to protect themselves from a muslim extremist and his wife at their Christmas celebration…. Give your head a massive shake!"

You can pretty much guarantee that anywhere Texan Conservatives congregate, there are going to be an inordinate number of concealed-carries. It is their God-Given right to carry them everywhere, and they do.
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Sort out protocols not being followed; agencies not communicating with one another and revamping mental health laws which are preventing very sick people from getting the help that they need."

Good luck with sorting out those protocols. That’s gun control, is it not? Guess what? The NRA and second amendmentalists actively resist even this – they want all gun laws removed, but will accept dysfunction neutering the laws as a substitute.

“Disarming law abiding citizens is not based on logic or an understanding of what the framers of the Constitution were safeguarding the country with.”
What about the shooter in this incident, who was weird, but generally law-abiding? Was it his right to own a weapon even if the intent of purchase was purely malevolent? It’s not the first time someone flew under the radar for so long – psychopaths have very specific goals which means the first overt sign of problems is often when they shoot up the place. They ARE law abiding citizens, and many of them own legal firearms. Yet, discuss background checks … and, yep, the second amendment comes up.

“Read the second amendment and take a moment to reflect on why there are protections against tyrannical government leaders. Research how Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed their citizens making them subjects who were no longer able to defend themselves against terrible government abuses and millions of dead subjects under these regimes. " The Second Amendment was intended purely to have a ready militia in case the Brits came back for a rematch of the Revolutionary war. As a nascent nation in an era of powerful colonial interests, and no ability to build a professional military at the time, it was their own option for defense. It was never intended to “overthrow tyrannical governments” – it had already been overthrown. Moreover, most people don’t carry guns for the purposes of national defence – it’s because they’re afraid of getting mugged – because, oh, wait, the US has a permanent underclass and dealing with that sounds too much like communism. Best to just tolerate it and hope you’ve got better aim than the other guy.

The Swiss DO keep guns for the sake of national security. They keep them at home, securely locked in the basement. Tyrannical government doesn’t just happen, you’ll probably have time to get home and unlock it. They’re not walking around carrying them. Their gun crime rates are very low, because they are very strict about how they’re handled and criminals can’t just grab a handgun off your car’s front seat, nor do they accidentally shoot family members at nearly the rate Americans do. Oh, and they have safety nets that keep the deranged from slipping through the cracks.
commented 2018-02-17 01:24:10 -0500
Why don’t we just pas a law making murder illegal? That should solve the problem.
commented 2018-02-17 01:20:39 -0500
Common Sense commented 2018-02-16 22:43:24 -0500
Andrew, you stated “He shouldn’t have been able to purchase the gun in the first place – an ounce of prevention.” Criminals don’t register guns, they can get a gun anytime regardless of any and all gun control provisions in place. Your argument is moot."
This one was legally purchased by the shooter. Not moot at all.

Oh, and what’s the source of the stolen weapons? Would there be so many available on the black market were guns not such an easy target for theft, by either being rarely kept, or well secured even fi you do (aka Canadian laws?)

“Rediculous, the target will be the one standing still, firing, he will be an easy target for sure as he will be doing the exact opposite of everyone else. He will be concentrating on firing into an unarmed crowd of helpless people, not looking for the armed one that will be sighting him in and taking him down. You are wrong. " You’e got about four seconds before he’s emptied it into the crowd and ducked behind cover. That’s one reason why bump-stocks are such a concern. You aim it in the general direction of the crowd, and pull the trigger, some will hit, and the damage is done before the hero even realizes what has happened. Oh, and he’s got the semi-automatic rifle with a big clip, and you’ve probably got a handgun. How do you feel about your chances with that one?

Oh, and the guy holding the gun, might be the other “hero” in the crowd. How do you feel your chances that he doens’t think you’re the shooter? "

“Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-02-17 00:15:43 -0500
Andrew which if the shooters in the last few years were NRA members or not Democrats? LMAO!
And for some reason they tend to have no father in their life, but of course that has nothing to do with it right? "

Mental illness and family history have a LOT to do with it, and the US is terrible with dealing with it.

“Drew Wakariuk commented 2018-02-17 00:12:26 -0500
Andrew a hero stopped one in Texas REMEMBER?? " No, the hero didn’t. The gunman was confronted, after shooting up the room, on his way out the door. The hero dinged him twice, but not enough to incapacitate, and shooter drove away. Found dead of a self-inflicted head shot some time later.

“Andrew explain Brazil they have gun control and are way worse than the US in gun murders and crimes. "

Brazil tightened up its gun laws AFTER crime got out of hand. The crime predates the laws, so the latter are not a cause.
commented 2018-02-17 00:15:43 -0500
Andrew which if the shooters in the last few years were NRA members or not Democrats? LMAO!
And for some reason they tend to have no father in their life, but of course that has nothing to do with it right?
commented 2018-02-17 00:12:26 -0500
Andrew a hero stopped one in Texas REMEMBER?? And the FBI was warned twice and they were busy being political tools.
commented 2018-02-17 00:11:20 -0500
Andrew explain Brazil they have gun control and are way worse than the US in gun murders and crimes.
commented 2018-02-17 00:10:43 -0500
Andrew for some reason criminals still get guns, you can buy them on the streets.
commented 2018-02-16 22:52:36 -0500
COMMON SENSE and TAMMIE PUTINSKI-ZANDBELT ….

I’m with you both…..Just look at what trudeau is doing to Canada without a gun!!


COMMON SENSE commented 2018-02-16 22:43:24 -0500
Andrew, you stated “He shouldn’t have been able to purchase the gun in the first place – an ounce of prevention.” Criminals don’t register guns, they can get a gun anytime regardless of any and all gun control provisions in place. Your argument is moot.
“the difficulty of hitting an unknown target from the middle of a panicking crowd, there’s very little chance of a “hero” actually stopping anything until after the damage has been done.. and the shooters know that.” Rediculous, the target will be the one standing still, firing, he will be an easy target for sure as he will be doing the exact opposite of everyone else. He will be concentrating on firing into an unarmed crowd of helpless people, not looking for the armed one that will be sighting him in and taking him down. You are wrong.


TAMMIE PUTINSKI-ZANDBELT commented 2018-02-16 22:11:18 -0500
Okay Andrew, church goers are packing when they attend Sunday service…Pulse nightclub goers were armed to the teeth while partying…San Bernadino workers arrived at work with firearms to protect themselves from a muslim extremist and his wife at their Christmas celebration…. Give your head a massive shake!

Sort out protocols not being followed; agencies not communicating with one another and revamping mental health laws which are preventing very sick people from getting the help that they need.

Disarming law abiding citizens is not based on logic or an understanding of what the framers of the Constitution were safeguarding the country with.

Read the second amendment and take a moment to reflect on why there are protections against tyrannical government leaders. Research how Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed their citizens making them subjects who were no longer able to defend themselves against terrible government abuses and millions of dead subjects under these regimes.
commented 2018-02-16 22:43:24 -0500
Andrew, you stated “He shouldn’t have been able to purchase the gun in the first place – an ounce of prevention.” Criminals don’t register guns, they can get a gun anytime regardless of any and all gun control provisions in place. Your argument is moot.
“the difficulty of hitting an unknown target from the middle of a panicking crowd, there’s very little chance of a “hero” actually stopping anything until after the damage has been done.. and the shooters know that.” Rediculous, the target will be the one standing still, firing, he will be an easy target for sure as he will be doing the exact opposite of everyone else. He will be concentrating on firing into an unarmed crowd of helpless people, not looking for the armed one that will be sighting him in and taking him down. You are wrong.
commented 2018-02-16 22:11:18 -0500
Okay Andrew, church goers are packing when they attend Sunday service…Pulse nightclub goers were armed to the teeth while partying…San Bernadino workers arrived at work with firearms to protect themselves from a muslim extremist and his wife at their Christmas celebration…. Give your head a massive shake!

Sort out protocols not being followed; agencies not communicating with one another and revamping mental health laws which are preventing very sick people from getting the help that they need.

Disarming law abiding citizens is not based on logic or an understanding of what the framers of the Constitution were safeguarding the country with.

Read the second amendment and take a moment to reflect on why there are protections against tyrannical government leaders. Research how Hitler, Stalin and Mao disarmed their citizens making them subjects who were no longer able to defend themselves against terrible government abuses and millions of dead subjects under these regimes.
commented 2018-02-16 20:50:59 -0500
“Tammie Putinski-Zandbelt commented 2018-02-16 15:53:46 -0500

Mass shooters look for soft targets in gun free zones. "
Teenagers tend to target schools, because that’s often the source of their alienation. Otherwise, there are several notable incidents of shooters not looking for soft targets, like the Texas church, or the occasional military base – often just generic crowds … places where people are decidedly NOT unarmed.

The simple reality is, that between the element of surprise, high firing rate weapons, and the difficulty of hitting an unknown target from the middle of a panicking crowd, there’s very little chance of a “hero” actually stopping anything until after the damage has been done.. and the shooters know that.
commented 2018-02-16 20:49:09 -0500
According to John Cardillo’s piece Feb.16 there was a resource officer at the Florida school, so there was at least one armed deputy in the school at the tome of the shooting. One of the questions would be, did he confront the shooter?
commented 2018-02-16 20:47:47 -0500
There are armed Officers in some Canadian schools already.

http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/11/23/police-canadian-high-schools/126630
Why police should be in Canadian high schools

http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Youth-programs-and-resources/School-resources/School-Resource-Officers.aspx
School Resource Officers are sworn law enforcement officers with the Calgary Police Service who are placed in schools.

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/edmonton-boards-voice-support-for-police-in-schools-after-toronto-ends-program
Edmonton boards voice support for police in schools after Toronto ends program
commented 2018-02-16 20:09:12 -0500
We never seem to really get to the bottom of any of these shootings. We are almost always left with the feeling that they are not telling us everything. The authorities, when they have collected all the information, need to be more transparent. People should demand it. As usual there are still many unanswered questions.
commented 2018-02-16 15:53:46 -0500
I’m waiting for more information re: reports saying FBI did not follow protocol when contacted by a concerned citizen on January 5th, no follow up.

Mass shooters look for soft targets in gun free zones.
commented 2018-02-16 15:01:22 -0500
“liza rosie commented 2018-02-16 13:33:57 -0500

Gun control kills. It is a fairy dust pipe dream, a wish that can never come true.
‘Gun control’, what a joke.
The way to have gun control is to have a gun. If a few well trained and certified teachers could have open carried would 17 people have died that day?
Guns in schools, hell yeah."

Ah, yes, the solution to too many shootings is always more guns. It’s a pity that the shooters are typically mentally disturbed and have no concept of deterrence. He shouldn’t have been able to purchase the gun in the first place – an ounce of prevention.

How many school shootings do we have in Canada? One every three years or so, typically – a fraction of the American rate. If gun free schools are lethal, why are Canadian schools so much safer?
commented 2018-02-16 14:34:48 -0500
Mark Steyn’s piece yesterday was about our western culture being too stupid to survive. And his column today – which addresses this shooting and the response – is a sequel.

On both sides of the border we have vacuous, shallow, losers doing anything to gain some kind of recognition. For the vast majority of these sad sacks, facebook, twitter, and youtube suffice, but in the most extreme cases of celebrity-status deprivation, they cut their balls off, run off to join ISIS, or resort to horrific acts of violence as this supreme example of Loserdom did.

And on both sides of the border we have preening, posing narcissists occupying the highest offices in the lands. Yes I know that Trump has many accomplishments – and I know turdo la doo has none. But I wish they’d both stick their cell phones up their respective arses and set an example.
commented 2018-02-16 14:06:26 -0500
Mark Steyn’s piece yesterday was about our western culture being too stupid to survive. And his column today – which addresses this shooting and the response – is a sequel.

On both sides of the border we have vacuous, shallow, losers doing anything to gain some kind of recognition. For the vast majority of these sad sacks, facebook, twitter, and youtube suffice, but in the most extreme cases of celebrity-status deprivation, they cut their balls off, run off to join ISIS, or resort to horrific acts of violence as this supreme example of Loserdom did.

And on both sides of the border we have preening, posing narcissists occupying the highest offices in the lands. Yes I know that Trump has many accomplishments – and I know turdo la doo has none. But I wish they’d both stick their cell phones up their respective arses and set an example.
commented 2018-02-16 13:48:10 -0500
As with all of the shootings in the U.S shootings, there is more to this story you can be sure.
The ‘white supremacist’ tag was part of it. It was intentional. Once the lie is out there it doesn’t matter that it is a lie. The left grabbed onto that, and from now on, in this story it will be the narrative.

“Look at your tiny retraction
You’ve already gotten the views
Those methods that keep us divided
How else would you spread your fake news”

Sorry I keep posting this lyric and link to. It just seems so appropriate these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9McMTvTdapU

One shooter? Just one crazed white boy with a grudge? Really?
commented 2018-02-16 13:33:57 -0500
All it would have taken would have been for a few teachers to have a hand gun in a lock box in their classrooms, and there may have been far fewer if any deaths. Do something? How about school marshals, like the air marshals on planes, armed and ready to address a shooter. The school is a no gun zone, that is your problem right there because its not true. The school is a gun target for who ever does this sort of thing. They will always be able to get their hands on a gun. No amount of ‘gun control’ will ever change that. Disarming the sheepdogs only enables the wolves a clear shot.

Gun control kills. It is a fairy dust pipe dream, a wish that can never come true.
‘Gun control’, what a joke.
The way to have gun control is to have a gun. If a few well trained and certified teachers could have open carried would 17 people have died that day?
Guns in schools, hell yeah.
commented 2018-02-16 13:32:29 -0500
“Strange. I don’t hear “Prayers won’t fix this. Controlling Islam will,” when our children are slaughtered by Islamists.”

That’s just about the size of it, isn’t it? Funny, the lack of consistency that left-wingers have. They’re so blatantly hypocritical it isn’t even funny.
commented 2018-02-16 13:32:29 -0500
“Strange. I don’t hear “Prayers won’t fix this. Controlling Islam will,” when our children are slaughtered by Islamists.”

That’s just about the size of it, isn’t it? Funny, the lack of consistency that left-wingers have. They’re so blatantly hypocritical it isn’t even funny.