March 25, 2015

Woman in niqab case called for gender segregation in Canada

Brian LilleyArchive

The woman at the centre of the court battle over niqabs being worn at citizenship ceremonies told court officials that she would welcome gender segregation in Canada.

Citing court documents filed as part of the government appeal, National Post reports that Zunera Ishaq told government lawyers that she would appreciate genders being segregated in Canada and that such a move would “definitely give me something more than I asked.”

The comments were made as part of the discovery process for the original court case last April. 

Under cross-examination by a government lawyer, Ishaq was asked why she chose to live in Canada instead of a Muslim country like Pakistan.

Ishaq said that while Pakistan was Muslim it wasn’t Islamic enough because they did not follow rules on segregating men and women and allowed them to go to school and work together.

The Post also reports that Ishaq admitted to removing her face veil in a public place to have her driver’s license photo taken but claimed that was different because it was for security.

Contacted by the Post on Tuesday, Ishaq said she is not looking for gender segregation in Canada.

“I do respect Canadian society as it is,” she said.


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commented 2015-03-26 11:34:08 -0400
Muslims are not in Canada to be part of Canadian society they are here to make Canada part of a Muslim society.
commented 2015-03-26 05:45:35 -0400
Hope the lefties see this. Maybe open their eyes just a bit.
commented 2015-03-26 04:54:18 -0400

Governments banks and retail outlets etc. are established to serve the public; hence I choose to think of them as having obligations, not “rights”. Indeed, the sixty-four dollar question is ever present; where do those obligations begin and end?

The institution of marriage and that of the family with mother and father as parents are the oldest institutions known to exist. Apart from clear-cut abuse the role and obligation of parents precedes that of the state especially when it comes to the “inexact science” of toxic medical intervention.

I too believe that women should have the right to wear the niqab. I doubt however that they do it because they are stupid. Many of these women are very intelligent and far from stupid. For the sake of formal transparency I believe that these women should be prepared to remove their niqab and most are willing to do so.
commented 2015-03-26 01:12:35 -0400
I have to repost this from Shane. Someone needs to read this in the house to justin, tom, and elizabeth. What is so hard to understand?

SHANE ELLIOTT commented 15 hours ago
I’ve posted this before but I think i need to post it here again.
What Wilfred Laurier thought of the immigrants wanting to become Canadians in 1907.

«First of all we must insist that the immigrant that comes here is willing to become a Canadian and is willing to assimilate our ways, he should be treated on equal grounds and it would be shameful to discriminate against such a person for reasons of their beliefs or the place of birth or origin. But it is the responsibility of that person to become a Canadian in all aspects of life, nothing else but a Canadian. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says that he is a Canadian, but tries to impose his customs and habits upon us, is not a Canadian. We have room for only one flag, the Canadian flag. There is room for only two languages here, English and French. And we have room for loyalty, but only one, loyalty to the Canadian people. We won’t accept anyone, I’m saying anyone, who will try to impose his religion or his customs on us.»
Wilfred Laurier, 1907
commented 2015-03-25 23:52:23 -0400
Go back to the country you came from if you don’t like our laws and traditions traditions .
commented 2015-03-25 23:00:05 -0400
She is an insult to every immigrant who comes to Canada to escape oppression. The (ex) and I hesitate to say (moderate), Muslims, and immigrants from non Muslim countries, that I know, are happy to be here. They are grateful to live in relative peace and freedom, and want Canadians to stand up for what keeps it that way. @sindy D. You suggest that since she wasn’t rude or demanding,( and I beg to differ) that her request was a reasonable one? I wouldn’t dream of immigrating to another country if I wasn’t ready to live as people in that country live, at least to the extent where I respect THEIR ways and customs and not expect my new home to bend over backwards to accommodate my every whim, change laws even. I find her requests most offensive. Come to Canada to become Canadian! The Hijab doesn’t cover identity, so I don’t care if its worn or not. I say no to the Niqab/ Burka at all, ever in this country. The segregation request is beyond even commenting on. She would clearly be happier in a Muslim country . Canada is not and never will be one. Good comment @zareena M.
commented 2015-03-25 21:16:12 -0400
What is she talking, that Pakistan is not a pure Islamic country, because they don’t practice pure Islamic laws. Listen lady Pakistan is a modern country, women are highly educated, they give dame to Burqa or Niqab, women wants to dress up just like Western women. Why you chose Canada you should have gone to Saudi Arab, which is a pure Islamic country. You have come to Canada to make this country pure Islamic state, so you are bringing a pure sharia here, you know that because of freedom of speech you can win. If this is the case then why opposition is after 2 conservative MP’s, for them there is no freedom of speech, one apologized and the other they want him to be removed from the Caucus. There is a freedom of speech they have full right to say whatever they want. I think this lady has taken this matter to court to make some money. Let me tell you all commentators, no it is not her right to wear niqab, she has come to Canada and she must adapt Canadian Culture, they way rest has.
commented 2015-03-25 21:02:17 -0400
Let us all ask ourselves why we live in a country with freedom? We are free to believe in what or who we want. We are free (most of the time) to have an opinion and openly discuss things. We are free to vote who we believe will best represent us on the world stage. So why are we free? Because brave soldiers fought oppression during 2 world wars and many battles before then and after. When I read about a certain minority complaining about how unfair or mistreated they feel, it turns my head. Why would they want to come here only to live the way they did. Does a person who wins a lottery live the same as they did before their winfall? Hell no. Why would they. So, again why would anyone coming to Canada, live like they haven’t left their mudhut back in where ever. It’s like winning the lottery. And why do the Liberals and Ndp pander to their demands? It’s getting to the point where there just might be a civil uprising and it will be nasty.
commented 2015-03-25 19:46:19 -0400
So first I just want to say I read quite a few comments and I do respect everyone’s opinions, but here’s mine. Firstly, I’ve never commented on something like this before but I felt so strongly about it that I made a twitter account in order to do so. I write this comment as a white women who believes in God, but who has wonderful Muslim friends. I don’t see why people are getting so upset about this. She wasn’t rude, she was just stating things she feels is right because of the way she was raised. She wasn’t demanding in any way. Though I understand gender segregation would be horrible, there is a freedom of speech and she has the right to it. And it was a good point about the hidding of beatings (though I was unaware of that before reading the comment), but look at our society. Marriages used to be literally GIVING a women to a man, and we, including myself, see marriage as holy. Are we not being a little bias? I understand that that’s an extreme comparison, but women should be able to wear what they believe is right for their religion, and have resources in the cases of being beaten. Also, believing in God (though I’ll be the first to admit I am still ignorant and need to be further educated) I had a conversation with one of my Muslim friends and our Gods are very similar. Who’s to say they aren’t the same known under different names and the stories are just slightly altered due to time? People need to be more understanding and live in harmony. Let’s have discussions, not arguments.
commented 2015-03-25 18:11:21 -0400
From one of my previous posts: "I believe women should have the right to wear the niqab, because everyone has the right to be stupid. If they didn’t, liberals would never get elected! However, all choices have consequences! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in blood transfusions or breathalyzers. They should have the right to refuse both (for themselves… not for their children). However, the state also must have the right to charge them with refusing to take a breathalyzer, just like they would with anyone else. If women have the right to wear the niqab, the rest of society must have the right to treat them as they would anyone else openly concealing their identity. Banks and Stores must have right to refuse them service; Provincial Governments must have the right to refuse them driver’s licenses; Airports must have the right to refuse them permission to board planes, ditto for trains, busses, cabs, etc.; Hospitals must have the right to refuse them medical treatment without first removing their face covering, and especially in court proceedings and citizenship ceremonies, they must absolutely be required to identify themselves. You want to wear the niqab? Fine, that’s your right… but if you voluntarily cut yourself off from Canadian society, then that society has no obligation to make special accommodations for you. And let’s be honest, you don’t really consider yourself to be a part of Canadian society anyway, so what’s the problem? I’m sure you’d be much more comfortable in your country of origin, and that’s the great thing about liberal democracies like Canada, you’re also free to leave.
commented 2015-03-25 15:41:32 -0400
Is it not part of Canadian culture that we show our faces? If you choose to escape from some hellhole to a place of security, is it too much to ask that you try not to turn your sanctuary into another example of the terrible place you escaped from? Accept our values or stay where you are. Ishaq should embrace her opportunities in OUR country and throw off the mantle of her own biases.
commented 2015-03-25 15:12:48 -0400
Export these people immediately. Idiots!
commented 2015-03-25 15:06:53 -0400
I agree with fellow posters. These people and especially this woman should be deported back to the Muslim country she came from or one of her choice, so she can practice all her sick religious beliefs over there, including tending their goat herds. The only problem with that is we are condemning the poor goats to the deprived actions of these sick people, as they do more than tend these poor animals. They truly are sick f*#@s, and should remain in their own countries.
I for one am getting sick of hearing all the belly aching coming out of the mouths of these people.
commented 2015-03-25 14:38:23 -0400
These are great posts from staunch Canadians; thank you,Shane Elliott, for repeating the comments from Sir Wilfred Laurier. We must demand no less from immigrants.
commented 2015-03-25 14:35:02 -0400
These are the kinds of people that Mulcair and Trudeau sweet heart, and champion. Truly sickening!
commented 2015-03-25 14:28:44 -0400
So much for gender equality.
commented 2015-03-25 14:01:30 -0400
Love your post, Judy, and I couldn’t agree with you more!!
commented 2015-03-25 13:29:23 -0400
Let me get this straight. She didn’t want to live in Packistan because they don’t practice segregation. But she has no problom moving to Canada. Lies, free money and a chance to change the laws in this country due to an abundance of useful idiots on the left. Do you think it’s just some coincidence that the west is being over run with immigration from country’s who have nothing in common with our country. Wake up people it’s the future of our country and our children’s children. Who are at risk.
commented 2015-03-25 12:31:48 -0400
I repeat: Folks, it DOES matter what you believe. There ARE bad ideologies. They are NOT all the same. It is alright to discriminate against that which is not good. Bigotry is necessary sometimes. We were bigoted against slavery and against the non-personage of women. That was good. But we were also bigoted against women having the vote and against liberty of conscience in the past and we were even bigoted against freeing the slaves, claiming our religion permitted slavery.…one bigotry was good and one was not so good. It is time to recognize that not all bigotry is a bad thing. To be bigoted against evil and oppression is to be right. Yes Don, the niqab and burkha are CAGES…they are instruments of abuse and torture…they are not GARMENTS of clothing but line up with handcuffs and straight jackets as well as closets in which to hide SIN. Not much difference between the niqab and a piece of duck tape across the mouth. The niqab MUST be banned in Canada if we are to have any liberty left. The police simply cannot decipher who is under a niqab or burkha and so they are unable to prevent crimes done in these walking ‘clothes’ closets. We cannot have justice while people are walking around in these dangerous outfits that can hide bombs, guns, men of war, as well as victims of abuse and even children trying to buy alcohol illegally. Bigotry against the hidden world of niqabs and burkhas is a good thing. Open wide the nation’s conscience and let freedom back in.
commented 2015-03-25 12:17:53 -0400
What a treasure, those words from Laurier.
You definitely need to keep posting them.
I will.
Do you have a link to the source?
commented 2015-03-25 12:10:43 -0400
What most are missing in this debacle is that the niqab is a necessary function of Islam. A tenet of Islam is that a man has the authority to beat his wife, the catch is the beatings must not be severe enough to show. Hence the niqab and burka. The bruises can’t be seen if the woman is covered from head to toe. This covering solves two problems; the first is that other Muslim men cannot see that the wife is non-compliant to her husbands desires, the second is that other Muslim women know what is under the veil and are forced into submission by the visible threat. Those in western society that see nothing wrong in wearing these garments would be the first to cry out if the bruises were visible, hence the adage “There are non so blind as those who choose not to see.”
commented 2015-03-25 11:41:32 -0400
This comment was posted by Shane Elliot – “But it is the responsibility of that person to become a Canadian in all aspects of life, nothing else but a Canadian.” Wilfred Laurier 1907.
As a multi-generational Canadian, I know what this statement means, but I wonder if this question posed to incoming immigrants, what responses would we hear? Is it defined, or is being Canadian just something innately in all true Canadians?
commented 2015-03-25 11:20:20 -0400
Terry and Joan,
Are you both suggesting with your comments that there is separation of church and state in Canada? I hardly think so.
commented 2015-03-25 11:19:21 -0400
I would suggest we crowd fund one way tickets to Ishaq and as many of her family members as possible to the backward Muslim sandbox country of their choice so they can enjoy a rewarding life of goat herding,leaving Canada a better place.
commented 2015-03-25 11:06:45 -0400
Why in God’s name are we allowing this person into our country and to offer her citizenship? Multiculturalism has failed badly, and this type of attitude suggests we are going to be listening to this muslim scourge for longer than we need. The direct question to any immigrant if they have money and a job should be, we offer you nothing more than what we are, and if you choose to become a citizen, you will have no rights to bad mouth or complain about our country… If you do, the citizenship should be revoked and they should be sent immediately out of our country. No dissent should be allowed for a minimum of 15 years and even then comments should not be seditious! Enough already.. deport this welfare queen and stop this stupidity within out vetting process.
commented 2015-03-25 10:37:23 -0400
Jamie…I’m here! Disgusted! If this is the way our leadership is vetting immigrants then we are doomed. Her ‘hidden agenda’ is transparent, RIGHT UP FRONT where we are able to see it…and YET…where are all the lib lefts who always seem to find Harper’s NON-EXISTENT “hidden agenda” but seem to see nothing dangerous about this woman and her HANDLERS…and believe me there are handlers, determined to make us in their IMAGE!!! Don’t you GET IT? Wake up you judges and court officials. We must draw a line in the sand…Until now I had hoped we could be a place of rescue for these benighted women, now I see we are no more than useful idiots who are being played and who will be abused like their WILLINGLY SUBJECT women. They have created a society that is not only anti-women, but they have created WOMEN who are ANTI-WOMEN TOO….a society of misogynistic women! And now we are their NEXT PROJECT.

The real God made both men and women IN HIS IMAGE to share dominion over all the earth, not over one another. They were created equal from the start…Genesis 1-2 (and Gen. 5:2). And even in the public square, Jesus taught, “It shall not be so among you” (Matthew 20:25-27)…you who follow me will not lord it over one another and if you want to be in charge become a servant…‘IN HONOUR PREFER ONE ANOTHER’. That is the way of the true God. It is righteous and acceptable to all and brings PEACE.

This other ideology of Zunera Ishaq has, from the beginning, brought nothing but war…they have NO peace in their homes, in their nations and in their faith. They can’t get along with one another. Husbands and brothers kill wives and sisters. Women kill themselves. They hate one another and distrust each other. They hate everyone around them…. Mothers mutilate their daughter’s genitals willingly…they have it all :Acid throwing..Dowry death…forced marriages…Honor killing…Female infanticide… and more. They are even at war with the Prince of Peace, so why do we want to let them bring their hatred here especially when their are desperately deceived into thinking their way is the better way? If they didn’t like what their faith CREATED in their last country, then they must CHOOSE to get rid of the REASON for their dissatisfaction with those countries, and that, which made their former nations so bad they had to leave, is their faith. If she thought Pakistan was not Islamic enough then go to Saudi Arabia…not here. Could someone direct her to the right airline…she was misled… We are not Islamic enough either, and God-willing, we will never be!

Here is the prophecy of the angel of the Lord regarding Ishmael…the father of their nations…"And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael;… And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him…. " Genesis 16: 11-12

Folks, it DOES matter what you believe. There ARE bad ideologies. They are NOT all the same. It is alright to discriminate against that which is not good. Bigotry is necessary sometimes. We were bigoted against slavery and we were bigoted against women having the vote…one bigotry was good and one was not so good. It is time to recognize that not all bigotry is a bad thing.
commented 2015-03-25 10:36:18 -0400
Is this the “power of one” that is taking over our culture? Of course it is more than just one person ,but every day we are besieged with another self identified minority person or small group demanding that our culture bend to their will. We offer freedoms here that only a handful of countries on the planet offer. Yet these people use the very guarantee of freedom and liberty as the beachhead to spread their set of values and beliefs which are antithical to everything we value. We should not be naive to Ishaq and her mission. Her chosen garb is merely an outward manifestation of some very deep seeded radical religious views , many of which are the pillars of Sharia Law. Make no mistake. This is one of many attempts to estabish Sharia. To have it first recognized, then to have it made equal and then to have it supplant our law. Many Canadians suffer from what I call the “Atwood Syndrome”. Margaret Atwood , who fancies herself as the “Florence Nightingale” of the modern feminist and activist movement has fallen into the trap. Margaret doesn’t know she is now a proselyte , a victim to Ishaq’s master plan.
commented 2015-03-25 10:17:54 -0400
Zunera Ishaq get the fuck out of my country.
commented 2015-03-25 09:52:31 -0400
If nothing else, she has succeeded in alienating herself and her “cause” even more than she originally attempted… I have Muslim friends, associates, and clients, all of whom I respect. THIS, however, I have lost all respect for, and I sincerely wish her deported.