April 13, 2015

Wynne on carbon cap-and-trade scheme: "Go ahead & call it a tax”

Marissa SemkiwArchive

Earlier today, Premier Kathleen Wynne and the province's environment minister Glen Murray announced that Ontario is implementing a cap-and-trade system.

Cap and trade is basically a system where a government sets a “cap” on how much C02 businesses can emit.

Those who go above that limit need to "trade" with other companies who don’t go above that limit. 

There’s another component to cap-and-trade, which is that government can sell what are called carbon permits to major emitters.

So basically, this is where industries say, "Okay, we can’t keep to our cap, so we’ll just dish out more cash to the government, and then pass the price down to consumers."

In other words, cap-and-trade is nothing more than a clever hidden way of taxation. 

The end result is that the cost of living goes up.

Among other things, this plan will have a disproportionate impact on lower and middle-income families, because statistically, they spend a larger percentage of their income on things like electricity and heating.

A billionaire spending $120 to fill up his tank? That’s pocket change to him.

But to a family living off $1000 per week, $120 is real money.

Have your say: Tell us what you think of Wynne's cap-and-trade scheme in the comments!

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commented 2015-04-15 00:11:18 -0400
She’s a Liberal, Jean Charles. it’s second nature to them.
What I think happened – and I speculate – is that someone wrote an article talking about how world class Toronto is. Well, that set the Toronto-centric media into a frenzy as they gloated amongst themselves on being considered world class. This euphoria usually last about 3-4 days.
During that time nothing else matters. Bombs could go off, your wrist watch catches fire, you find ISIS in your underwear – nothing else matters. Somebody thinks they’re a world class city. Luckily this doesn’t happen in real world class cities like Montreal, Vancouver or Calgary.
Therefore this is the best time to make these types of announcements and it gets reported as a wire piece.
commented 2015-04-14 21:58:59 -0400
How on earth can politicians like her can stand in front of cameras and microphones vomiting a tone of lies, inventions and distorted truths without being confronted and being accountable for. Her cape and trade scheme is BS, it is a tax period, one more and she shows no intention to down size her government. Before the end of her first 4 years she will have most probably created many new programs and agencies, some of them to save the world, or save her ass for another 4 years.
commented 2015-04-14 13:45:43 -0400
Agenda 21 also wants complete control of land and control over land owners what to grow the ability to subdivide or not. Unpremier Redford was a UN stooge that tried very hard to implement agenda 21 in Alberta. Wildrose made that a plank in the last election to fight for landowners rights I hope that’s still part of their policies now that they have had to rebuild the party thanks to people like Preston Manning which I would like know his opinion on agenda 21
commented 2015-04-14 13:15:30 -0400
Beware a woman in a pantsuit. Their ego allows them to lie with a straight face.
commented 2015-04-14 12:42:42 -0400
I suggest that everyone read the UN’s Agenda 21 program and you will see that Ontario is following it to the “T”. The intent is to transfer wealth from the western countries This program is brought to you by the same author of the Global Warming scam – Maurice Strong – who has very strong connections within the Liberal Party.
The first step was to get the program out of the sight of the politicians by burying it in the bureaucracy from whence it will be implemented via regulations. The next step was to start raising hydro rates and the pretext of striving for “green energy” – Hydro and nuclear are not to be considered green. Sounds familiar?
You will also see that this province is totally committed to spying on you. This too is part of Agenda 21\s control over your life. There was no technological reason for smart meters since Hydro could easily have gotten the same information by duplexing over the hydro lines like the internet does over the cable or phone lines and polling the meters at set hours. Also, since the meters were not calibrated before installation (as evidenced by the large spread in charges for similar size residences) tells us that they need them to collect more than electrical time of day usage. Add to that the need to collect info on where you are and your travel habits via PRESTO cards.
All of this is Agenda 21 and nobody will talk about it..
commented 2015-04-14 10:42:25 -0400
CAP AND TRADE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP POLLUTION!! It has been an abysmal failure in Europe, which has a cap and trade a system that is plagued with corruption and has done NOTHING to stop the rise in pollution or greenhouse gasses. The U.S. won’t do it , even with Obama at the helm. Listen to Lorrie Goldstein of the Toronto Sun about his take on this. This is a tax on everyone, pure and simple, and the sooner that Ontario wakes up and kicks out those Liberal thieves out of office, the better.
commented 2015-04-14 09:14:29 -0400
The Ontario Liberals want to save the world…..


If Ontario was literally SHUT DOWN – I mean, EVERYTHING, cars, furnaces, power plants, factories – ZERO energy use, China would make up for that within 2 days. TWO DAYS.

Think about that for a moment, folks.
commented 2015-04-14 01:55:39 -0400
My fellow rebelers it is really quite simple to beat big government back. 1. Is to clean up your own house, meaning to wipe out any debt that you are carrying. 2. To stay fiscally responsible.(I know I’m preaching to the choir here).3. Start your underground economy kinda like we did in the 70s with the NEP only on a much larger scale. 4. Refuse to pay provincial tax ( keep paying federal tax though) 5. When possible buy items through places like Craigslist or kijji 6. When possible protest in front of your parliament building. There is more I’m sure I know there is no lack of smarts in this group. If it starts here with the rebels fine but I have a feeling it’s coming it’s time to take our country back along with our virtues and values ACT NOW BEFORE ALL IS LOST !!!!!!!
commented 2015-04-14 01:04:06 -0400
So, Judy, shall I take then that you won’t be voting for Wynne in the next Ontario election? Or is that too strong? (Come on, Judy, stop beating around the bush….. Say what you mean.)
commented 2015-04-14 00:06:38 -0400
Judy, I feel your pain . . . well, at least conceptually at this point. Alberta is headed that way if Prentice gets back in office. And even though I am hopeful that the Wildrose will get into office, I have a knot deep down in my stomach that I am trying hard to ignore that Prentice and his “entitlement headstrong” gang will win and they will take on the same egotistical “the-people-have-spoken-so-we-can-do-anything-we-want” attitude just like the Wynn Liberals are doing now. If Alberta goes down the same path too, then both economic engines of Canada will be toast and Canada will follow right along behind. Damn I hate Liberals, both outright up front and in-your-face Liberals like in Ontario and sneaky Liberals in Conservative clothing PCs in Alberta.
commented 2015-04-13 23:28:14 -0400
Wynne is a fraudster…in a sea of fools who elected her. There is no word to describe how much I detest her and loathe her party. There seems to be no bottom to their underhanded, unscrupulous, corrupt and fraudulent behaviour…and to the dimwitted, thick, clueless and incompetent voters who brought them back after her party proved how contemptible they are. It is gobsmacking how much scorn they dump on their masters (that’s us folks—-). Their audacity and impudence is astonishing when they should be on their knees in contrition, paying US back the money they have continually mishandled and LOST to nefarious schemes that have failed year after year…may God give them their just desserts…and as soon a possible…before they ruin our children, our industry, our bank accounts and our nation as they become the largest drain (Canada’s DISGRACEFUL have-not province in 2014 requiring the highest Federal transfer payment of all provinces AND territories) through which part of the national economy is siphoned. Ontario, which was one of the most productive provinces of Canada, now is nothing but a freeloading scrounger…deteriorating morally and economically.

Already, we have had two schemes that (I believe) were not identified before the election that have been brought in WITHOUT A REFERENDUM…First, the re-introduced curriculum that they knew was despised before, and more so now, by an ever-growing number of elementary school parents,as they begin to understand it, and whose resolve has been ridiculed, despised and misrepresented. Second, the new Carbon Tax (which is unlimited in its scope at the moment-but which they will raise to pay off the debt-skyscraper they have erected over the past few years on the backs of the LIBERAL PARTY’S SO-CALLED, BELOVED, middle class. Will there even be a middle class when the Liberals are through with us?
commented 2015-04-13 23:10:30 -0400
I’m back to filling up across the border. Only 10 miles away. My diesel fill-up lasts a month.
commented 2015-04-13 21:20:46 -0400
Another nail in the coffin of industry in Ontario and this time it’s a big nail. The western provinces need to take out ads in Ontario papers, “Business & Industry Come West”.
commented 2015-04-13 19:58:13 -0400
Someone give her a lollipop, make a change.
commented 2015-04-13 19:45:47 -0400
Corrupt is an understatement
commented 2015-04-13 19:42:04 -0400
“Not if the Liberal governments at all levels, MSM, David Suzuki, Al Gore and all their supports have their way, they won’t.”

Which makes them complicit in the pyramid scheme, or just plain brain dead stupid. The tend to lean to the latter.
commented 2015-04-13 19:14:52 -0400
This whole Climate Change Alarmist Business reminds me of the whole Enron fraud scandal. In the end, through creative accounting, double speak and baffle gab, the whole “Climate Change” industry (which under Socialism includes the Government) will be proven to be, as with Enron, nothing more than a giant pyramid scream, trading in non-existent entities, making the top dogs very rich and the bottom dogs very poor. The question is, will the general population figure that out before it’s too late? Not if the Liberal governments at all levels, MSM, David Suzuki, Al Gore and all their supports have their way, they won’t.
commented 2015-04-13 19:00:52 -0400
Well of course it’s a tax – a needless destructive tax on productivity with no provable impact on climate – sold by liars and embezzlers to the weak of mind.
There is no longer a need to wonder about cause of inflation in this stagnating province.
commented 2015-04-13 18:55:29 -0400
If Ontarians can’t stop K. Wynne then maybe the rest of Canada can. All businesses and individuals should boycott Ontario. Do not visit Ontario, do not purchase goods from Ontario and if you live in Ontario, move elsewhere. (Don’t buy cars or any other manufactured product from Ontario.) Wynne’s tax schemes will be passed to consumers, and anything manufactured in Ontario will be more expensive for everyone in Canada. It’s one thing for her to destroy her home province but that damage will spread to the rest of the Country. Boycott Ontario if you disapprove of K. Wynne’s policies.
commented 2015-04-13 18:50:52 -0400
Gee how do you intend to have a grandchild?
commented 2015-04-13 18:50:49 -0400
Confirmation that selling my business and moving west was the best move I ever made since I left Toronto in ’72.
commented 2015-04-13 18:34:14 -0400
If politicians could control climate change with taxes it would be solved by now.
commented 2015-04-13 18:27:19 -0400
it is said that this environ mental tool will raise billions…raise it from where? the dead?
commented 2015-04-13 18:11:33 -0400
A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money. – G. Gordon Liddy
commented 2015-04-13 18:10:41 -0400
I fail to see how this is going to bring about more favourable weather.

Here on PEI it is one of the characteristics of local culture that when you talk about the weather ….no matter what the weather might be…it just isn’t good for the potatoes. And the closer you are to the potato farming crowd, the more often you will notice this…. now that I have mentioned it. With the exception of Idaho… PEI exports more potatoes every year than ANYWHERE…the volume of potato exports boggles the mind….yet the weather is never as favourable as the growers would like it……:-)

Now I am not complaining or trying to be critical…I have the best neighbours on the planet and I would stand this red ground defending them till it turned redder with my blood.

But there is a provincial election a matter of days away and the incumbent Liberal government has done what pretty much all others like and similar have done which is overspend trying to be all things to all potential voters.

From where I live a rumour will reach Charlottetown faster than I ever could without risking a speeding ticket…so I am going to work on a strategy to undermine advancement of any such policy here by working it into the narrative that a cap and trade tax will be good for the potatoes…..

I can just see it now….. that change in expression on people’s faces when their gullibility/bullshit filter switch kicks in……:-)
commented 2015-04-13 18:09:12 -0400
“And when my granddaughter Olivia looks at me and says’Grandma, what did you do?’ " Wynnbag can look her right in the eyes and tell her the truth. "Olivia, I singlehandedly destroyed the province of Ontario! I’m sorry my darling, but I put my ambitions for power above your best interests and the best interests of all the grandchildren in this once great province. The future grandchildren who will end up saddled with this horrifying mess.

Marissa, don’t really understand how Twitter works, but it’s time somebody started a campaign in this province titled, hashtag #What about the grandchildren? The conservatives need a rallying cry? That’s the one……..WHAT ABOUT THE GRANDCHILDREN? Who’s going to be stuck with this monumental mess? My, as of now, 5 grandchildren, that’s who.
commented 2015-04-13 18:04:02 -0400
Not only is “cap and trade” a slick way of bringing in a huge new taxation scheme, it is based on faulty science. CO2 is what we all exhale – and what all green vegetation requires to survive. It is not a pollutant! There are real pollutants we must be concerned about, yes. But regulating CO2 is only an excuse to regulate (and further tax) ALL of us. May the Lord help us!
commented 2015-04-13 17:45:37 -0400
Corky’s (stefan dion) greenshaft comes to Ontario. F U Wynne you destructive liberal pig.
commented 2015-04-13 17:45:30 -0400
Wynne keeps her head stuck in the sand; continuing to believe in this global warming hoax; don’t let the facts get in the way of her ideology. All the while helping to ensure her grandchildren will be burdened with an enormous deficit. Then her granddaughter Olivia is going to complain, “Grandma what the hell did you do?”
commented 2015-04-13 17:40:28 -0400
It is just another tax on carbon- on top of royalties, gas taxes, hst, income tax on people working in the carbon sector etc. etc….